Stay locked up after they serve their time?

[TheAngel]

  Criminality should be regarded as a form of Psychopathy and treated as such.

Who's to say the "Criminal mind" hasn't been completely obliterated from their brains after serving a term of say, 20 years?  Why should such a long span of time change the way their mind works?  The person is the same person, regardless of time spent behind bars.  Locking someone up simply isn't enough.  I think that prisoners should not only be locked up, but during those 20 years, or what have you, undergo comprehensive psychological re-training in order to be released into society.  

Overall, I feel that prevention is key and as such, we should be looking at ways of deterring crime from being committed in the first place.  Whether this means introducing stiffer penalties such as not releasing criminals after their term is served, I do not know.  Maybe it would act as enough of a deterrent.

Certainly, re-introducing the death penalty would do the trick.


   

[tenkani]

Mother of god...

[pitbullca.bc]

I think that I am going out on a limb here...but...If dogs bite...attack..maim...or kill a person...they are humanely ( we hope) euthanized.  An elephant that rampages...isn't always met with rehabilitation.  Man eating tigers etc.  are hunted and killed.  Bears...sharks...and so on and so forth.  If a human turns in ways such as posted above....then why aren't they humanely euthanized?  Are we protecting the criminals families?  The criminals mental health?  I know that I sound cruel...which I am not...but what is good for the goose apparently is a double standard for the gander.

Humane euthanization...would cut back on taxpayers money...violence in prison...

I do understand that there are the few that have been wrongly convicted...that would  be an issue for sure.  But in the end...the brain has a wire that is short circuiting...whether it be human..or animal.  

[tenkani]

What you describe is indeed very "efficient" and many authoritarian regimes throughout history have shared a similar view of "social defectives" and pursued the concept of cleansing the human species of such detrimental elements through harsh mental reprogramming or simple mass murder. China springs to mind. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander? As Ghandi said, an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind. I don't believe in murdering murderers because murder is unethical.

  Killing in self-defense can be justified. But killing for revenge, or killing because someone may or may not kill in the future is murder. State sponsored murder doesn't make it any less vile IMO.

  Murdering criminals is, I believe, unhealthy for the soul of a society.

There are more important things in life than safety, but the specter of fear leads many otherwise rational human beings to support agendas that they would not consider while in an "unheated" state.

    EDIT: P.S. please don't take these posts as slams. They are not meant as flames and I hope you don't interpret them that way. I believe both of you support the things you're talking about for the right reasons, even though I disagree strongly with the solutions you propose.

[pitbullca.bc]

 I don't believe in murdering murderers because murder is unethical.

  It is then, in your eyes, unethical to euthanize a dog for attacking a child?

[tenkani]

We may disagree where this is concerned, but the value of a dog's life and that of a human being are not equivalent. A dog's life has worth, without question, but it is a sliding scale, no? Do you ask your dog for permission before cutting off its testicles? Would you keep a human being outside in cold weather chained to a doghouse?

[TheAngel]

 tenkani wrote:
Mother of god...


That was for emphasis, btw.

 

[TheAngel]

EDIT: P.S. please don't take these posts as slams. They are not meant as flames and I hope you don't interpret them that way. I believe both of you support the things you're talking about for the right reasons, even though I disagree strongly with the solutions you propose.

Not to worry Tenk, I would never think that you would dream of comparing me to someone like say.. Hitler.

*muah*
 

[tenkani]

Never!!!!

Stalin?

[TheAngel]

 All I am saying is that specific "deterrents" are to be used in order to prevent dangerous crimes from being committed.

I'm not so concerned with penalizing those who B & E as I am those who commit dangerous, malicious crimes.  Those are the criminals I would like to specifically target -- and deterr -- with proper legislation put in place for judicial remediation.

Just what kind of "deterrents" are acceptable?  Is the question we need to be asking ourselves as a society and come up with some viable solutions to be put into practise.
   

[TheAngel]

 tenkani wrote:
Never!!!!
Stalin?

Uh, how dare you associate me to the Communists? >  

You've got it the other way 'round.  
 

[Russ]

I think we should bring back the death penalty as well for certain crimes.  I agree with what you say Tenk, but for certain crimes I see no reason to let them live.

  Sorry to disagree with you on something you feel so strongly about , only I feel strongly about this as well.

  Why should we pay 100k a year to keep someone in prison for a life sentence? And still pay for them to have better food, shelter, eductaion, and medical than 1/4 of all canadians? Serious, they are better off than a number of people not incarcerated. I hate the fact I pay for them to get a degree.. especially in they are serving a life sentence.. and we cant force them to work for something for the rest of society, like sewing garmets, picking fruit, cleaning around highways.

  I think that ex criminals(convicted of serious crimes), repeat offenders, sexual predators should be implanted with GPS tracking devices.  

[TheAngel]

 "Why should we pay 100k a year to keep someone in prison for a life sentence? And still pay for them to have better food, shelter, eductaion, and medical than 1/4 of all canadians? Serious, they are better off than a number of people not incarcerated. I hate the fact I pay for them to get a degree.. especially in they are serving a life sentence.."    

Have to say, this statement makes alot of sense to me. I know we have agreed on this subject before, in my "Remove Prisoner's Right to Vote" thread.   [div style="font-style: italic;"] [/div] "I think that ex criminals(convicted of serious crimes), repeat offenders, sexual predators should be implanted with GPS tracking devices."


That is one option on the table, however I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of implanting tracking devices into any human.

I'm more of the 'Let's fix the problem so we don't have to implant any tracking devices on anyone' persuasion..

But how to fix them? I doubt the idea of implanting tracking devices would act as much of a deterrent.  Certainly, we know that if they go out into the world, with or without tracking devices, the possibility exists for there to be more crimes to be committed by them and already it's too late.
 

[tenkani]

Don't apologize for disagreeing. Only apologize if you're disagreeable (which you aren't).

This isn't DV, and it's Ok to differ. I promise not to call you a cock holster    

  The death penalty is a troublesome issue. As it stands here in the states, it is more expensive to execute someone than to incarcerate them for life. And evidence on whether it presents a deterrent was unclear last I heard. So the only pressing reason to murder a criminal is for revenge, which is unethical IMO.

  The counter argument is that people on tiral for murder 1 should have less burden of proof and fewer appeals to lower the cost of execution and make it economically feasible. Then, of course, you end up murdering more innocent people. But if your argument truly is that someone should be murdered to save the state money (since protecting the public is not an issue), then I would have to respectfully disagree. Let the Chinese put a price tag on human life. I would hope we would hold ourselves to a higher standard.  

[Russ]

Im actually a firm believer of gps implanted tracking in released serious crimes criminals, repeat offenders, and sexual predators.

  Uh, you arent talking about chopping off the 'twigs and berries' are you?