Remove Prisoner's Right to Vote

[tenkani]

Agree with the above, plus get rid of most legislation concerning victimless crimes.

Take the potheads and whatnot out of prison and replace them with murderers.

If someone already said this, sorry, I didn't bother to read most of this thread because I'm a lazy f*ck.

[P.C.]

(Now I've probably got some people thinking I'm a bleeding heart, and others thinking I'm an authoritarian.)



Never considered either, weird al.....it's your opinion and one that sounds like you've actually given some thought.

 It's something I've not given a lot of thought.  I used to work for the Returning Office during the elections, and it was always the dreaded polling station to draw.

  I guess I don't think of it as an extension of their punishment as much as I think of it as a natural consequence.  I have to admit, I never knew until then that they WERE allowed to vote, and I remember being quite surprised.....it didn't seem logical to me.

As for the rest of your comments I agree.....fully.  A slap on the wrist is seldom a deterrent.      

[weird al]

I like Frank Zappa's line re 1st offence:

   "That was Joe's first brush with the law...One of our counselors gave him a doughnut and told him to stick closer to church-related social activities."

[tenkani]

LOOOL!

Loves me some Zappa!    

He taught me that the white zone is for loading and unloading only.

If you need to load or unload, well, you should use the white zone!

[P.C.]

I wonder where Joe is now.  [img style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick=url(this.src); src="vny!://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/c008.gif" border=0]  

[tenkani]

Last I heard he was hanging out in his garage practicing with his guitar.

[P.C.]

You'ld think he had it down by now.

[Russ]

I actauly think that prison is not supposed to be a place of rights and privileges. Yes they have 'civil rights', we as a country and a society afford them that. What I DO NOT agree with is that they get the right to vote on issues outside. They are incarcerated because they could not meet the bare minimul civil requirements and were convicted by the rules and judgement of their peers. So they should not get the priviledge of voting on who is in charge of the country, affecting what their rights in prison are. They lost that privilege when 12 of their citizens peers put them there.

  I am also of the opinion that prison is not meant to be a free ride. We spend on average 60-100k a year on EACH person in prison, Im mean, wtf? The average canadian makes what 30-35k? How does this equate?

The simple answer is it doesnt. They should be made to work and produce things, being trained in certain fields for reintegration into society. Have them fix cars that the labour costs are too high for the average shop, use a lathe.. etc. If you are a convicted for life.. why should they get teh right to take school courses paid by me if they are never going to use it?

  The person is in prison for a reason. We should make a prison what it was meant to be.. a punishment.  

[weird al]

He taught me that the white zone is for loading and unloading only.

  Sounds like you know this ineffable work quite well, tenk. Do you know the bit where they're singing in German?

[TheAngel]

[span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"] weird al wrote:[/span][br style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"][br style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"][span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"]As for violent crime of any sort, I want to see maximum deterrence in the form of maximum penalties.[/span][span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"] I really believe that we need more prisons so that violent offenders can be incarcerated for the full term of the sentence. (Now I've probably got some people thinking I'm a bleeding heart, and others thinking I'm an authoritarian.)[/span] [div style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"] [/div][div style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"] [/div] [span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0); font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"]I think what we have to do is to actually enforce the laws that we have[/span][span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"]. We've fallen so far away from that, it's totally absurd. I don't think we have to dream up new ways to take long-established rights away from the few people who are actually incarcerated. We have to incarcerate more people. If that makes for a mini economic boomlet in terms of construction and staffing, so be it.

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[/span][/span][span style="color: rgb(64, 127, 0); font-weight: bold;"]I really like what you said here. Very good points. [/span] [span style="color: rgb(64, 127, 0);"]Thank you for your opinions![/span][span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"]
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[TheAngel]

[span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"] tenkani wrote:[/span][br style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"][div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Agree with the above, plus get rid of most legislation concerning victimless crimes.[/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Take the potheads and whatnot out of prison and replace them with murderers.[/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]If someone already said this, sorry, I didn't bother to read most of this thread because I'm a lazy f*ck.[/div]
Also agree.. (with taking the potheads and whatnot out of prison and replacing them with murderers)
 

[TheAngel]

[span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"] Russ wrote:[/span][br style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"][div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(192, 255, 128);"]I actauly think that prison is not supposed to be a place of rights and privileges. Yes they have 'civil rights', we as a country and a society afford them that. What I DO NOT agree with is that they get the right to vote on issues outside. They are incarcerated because they could not meet the bare minimul civil requirements and were convicted by the rules and judgement of their peers. So they should not get the priviledge of voting on who is in charge of the country, affecting what their rights in prison are. They lost that privilege when 12 of their citizens peers put them there.[/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"] [/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]I am also of the opinion that prison is not meant to be a free ride. We spend on average 60-100k a year on EACH person in prison, Im mean, wtf? The average canadian makes what 30-35k? How does this equate? [/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]The simple answer is it doesnt. They should be made to work and produce things, being trained in certain fields for reintegration into society. Have them fix cars that the labour costs are too high for the average shop, use a lathe.. etc. If you are a convicted for life.. why should they get teh right to take school courses paid by me if they are never going to use it? [/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"] [/div] [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]The person is in prison for a reason. We should make a prison what it was meant to be.. a punishment.[/span]
[br style="color: rgb(96, 191, 0);"][br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: bold;"][span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: bold;"]Russ, [/span][br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: bold;"][br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: bold;"][span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: bold;"]Could not have said this better myself!!  Thank you for your comments!!!!!!!!!  =)[/span]