Remove Prisoner's Right to Vote

Started by TheAngel, Feb 14 07 05:36

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don't

wow!

Ms TheAngel, you scare me :(
 

TheAngel

 [span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"]I must be doing something 'right' then.



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TheAngel

 Off topic.

Don't, If you could include in your contributions to this thread reasons and arguments why you think prisoners should get a vote in the elections, well that would be on-topic.
   

don't


Lise

I feel.... that if you're in prison, you loose the right to do most things. One of those rights is the right to vote. Why should a prisoner have that right when most immigrants don't even have that luxury?
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

tenkani

Hmmmm.

Every human being is an onion.

It's always fascinating to see a person unfold.

Sometimes it hurts but it's the only way to truly know someone rather than simply being entranced by their brightly painted shell. Ok, I just hurt myself with too many mixed metaphors     :(
For thou art with me; thy cream and thy sugar they comfort me
Thou preparest a carafe before me in the presence of Juan Valdez
Thou anointest my day with pep; my mug runneth over
Surely richness and taste shall follow me all the days of my life
And I will dwell in the house of coffee forever.

Lise

Dang it, tenk! My eyes hurt just reading that! Spill it out, man. Whatcha tryin' to say?
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

TheAngel

[span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"] tenkani wrote:[/span][br style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"][div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Hmmmm.[/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Every human being is an onion.[/div] [div style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]It's always fascinating to see a person unfold.[/div] [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Sometimes it hurts but it's the only way to truly know someone rather than simply being entranced by their brightly painted shell. Ok, I just hurt myself with too many mixed metaphors     :([/span]


[span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"]Gee, [/span][br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"][br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"][span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"]That hurted for about 2 split seconds, but then I got over it.[/span]

 

TheAngel

[span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"] Lise wrote:[/span][br style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"][span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]I feel.... that if you're in prison, you loose the right to do most things. One of those rights is the right to vote. Why should a prisoner have that right when most immigrants don't even have that luxury?[/span]

I feel the same.  Why should prisoners have the same rights as we do?

 

Lise

Some rights should be revoked because you commit the crime and do not deserve to vote. Once you've serve your time, then you should be able to vote.
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

TheAngel

That is how I see it too.  

weird al

 So, prisoners have always had the right to vote, and a bill seeking to remove that right was rejected. Good! Regardless of what anyone may think of them, they are still citizens, after all, aren't they? If they are no longer citizens, what other rights should  be taken from them? Why stop at the right to vote? After all, why should we spend our hard-earned tax dollars on anything better than dog food for these people who have lost the right to be considered as members of society?

  But that's right, they are still members of society after all. And they're coming back, too. I think we would all be better off if we don't brutalize them too much while they're sequestered. Some of them are people who made extremely bad decisions (not mistakes, please, I'm really not a bleeding heart after all), at times when they were ill-equipped to make any sort of good decisions at all.

  I'm not going to get into a rant here (I hope), but a lot of people in prison now are going to get out, and they're not going to go back in. There is some deterrence to being locked up, even with a tv set.

   As for drug addicts and how they should all be rounded up and shot or whatever, I'm so tired of hearing this.  It's so easy to get runaways hooked on heroin without their knowing it. I knew a guy who used to do this. I assume he's no longer among us, however. Doesn't take long to convert another true believer to your cause. I'm not saying everybody gets hooked on drugs this way, and I've never been addicted to anything either, except grass, tobacco and booze :) .

  I've never been locked up either, except for a few hours at a time. My point is, these people don't lose their citizenship while guests of the Crown. I know some ex-cons - everybody does. Some of them f*cked up egregiously,paid the price, and rejoined (or joined) tthe mainstream. Some of them are legitimate businessmen now, and employers in their own right. Notwithstanding the occasional Pickton or Olson, they're not animals. They're not idiots[/DIV]

P.C.

True enough I suppose, weird al.  I guess we have a tendancy to lump them all into one type of people.  And to say they have not lost their citizenship is a really good point.

 But once they land themselves in prison, have they not lost their rights to their freedoms ?  They no longer have the right to roam free amongst the rest of society so why would they be free to be a part of the decision making for them?
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

weird al

P.C. wrote:
  They no longer have the right to roam free amongst the rest of society so why would they be free to be a part of the decision making for them?

  Well, now I'm guessing the system has been in place for a long time, and it's only recently that someone decided, "hey, these people are pukes, why should they be allowed to vote? Why should they have anything." But I don't think society is falling apart because we're coddling prisoners, or not taking enough away from them: I think we're losing our way because there is so little certainty of being incarcerated anymore. I'm a firm believer in the old "do the crime, do the time" mantra.

  As for violent crime of any sort, I want to see maximum deterrence in the form of maximum penalties. I really believe that we need more prisons so that violent offenders can be incarcerated for the full term of the sentence. (Now I've probably got some people thinking I'm a bleeding heart, and others thinking I'm an authoritarian.)

  I think that certainty of punishment is a true deterrent, and we don't have anything like that anymore. By the way, I knew a guy who killed his roommate in a drunken fight, probably over who got the last beer. He didn't really remember that much about it. But when he got out, after doing significant time, guess what? He didn't drink anymore! And he was a solid, hardworking taxpaying citizen. He was still a bit of a puke though.

  I think what we have to do is to actually enforce the laws that we have. We've fallen so far away from that, it's totally absurd. I don't think we have to dream up new ways to take long-established rights away from the few people who are actually incarcerated. We have to incarcerate more people. If that makes for a mini economic boomlet in terms of construction and staffing, so be it.
 

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