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TehBorken

Quote from: DDD on Dec 23 11 08:58Handguns where built for one thing only to kill people

Right...so what's your point?

Quote from: DDD on Dec 23 11 08:58Now give me a 30/30 rifle  ;D  way more fun

Unfortunately it's a little cumbersome to carry a 30-30 into the library or haul it around with me discretely while shopping. It's not concealable in the least, so it's kind of like advertising that I'm armed. That's exactly the opposite of what I want.
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

DDD

At one time carrying a gun was needed and as such was recognized by the government at that time.
But as the world changed this antiquated right has been left behind and is so entrenched now it is looked upon as a god given right.
All you have to do is look at the statistics between USA and Canada to see owning guns does not protect the average person in the USA if anything it puts more people at risk. Statistics do not lie.
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

DDD

How bad is gun crime (//vny!://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime) in the US? The latest data from the FBI's uniform crime reports (//vny!://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010) is out and it provides a fascinating picture of the use of firearms in crimes across America.
At the beginning of the year the shooting spree (//vny!://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/10/jared-lee-loughner-gabrielle-giffords) in Tucson, Arizona (//vny!://www.guardian.co.uk/world/arizona), that targeted congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (//vny!://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gabrielle-giffords) left six dead, including a nine-year-old child. But since then, the issue has been given scant attention.
However, the figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 600 murders per year. In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.
The FBI crime statistics are based on reports to FBI bureau and local law enforcement. The figures are not complete - there are no stats for Florida on firearm murders and the data for Illinois is "incomplete". But even so it provides a detailed picture of attacks by state.
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

Russ

I agree DDD, and also disagree.
Its also a matter of opinion, and a different culture in a way. There's many people in the US who don't believe in handguns, but its allowed with less restrictions. That is their choice. In Canada, there's people who posses handguns, and its severely restricted. Many people dont believe in it, and dont have handguns. Im not sure if Im getting my opinion across easily here.


I believe they should be allowed. They are for target shooting and protection. Although in Canada if you use them for protection you are pooched, but that's because our laws are so antiquated. Look at the few cases that are currently in supreme court challenges, and others that then got reduced or dismissed for the judges allowed for common sense. The conservatives in power are fortunately looking into updating the laws. I would like more rights for homeowners to protect them and their properties!
I had in the past year, someone openly hop my fence and start looking through stuff around my garage. I caught the person, and with the dog barking at him hopping around him, he told me if I stopped him or my dog bit him he would press charges. He walked right out through my front yard. I was on my cell with the police, they came and took my statement. They told me if I had restrained him in any way, I would have been charged. Also said nothing they could do, other then file a report.
I have seen a few more times people stop and look over the fence at what I have. I saw someone try to open my gate one time, rushed down and asked them what they thought they were doing.
I do not think the rules need to be the way they are in the US up in canada, as it is a different culture about it, but I feel they need to be better. Better rights for the property owner, but not to the extent of shooting someone unless it is justified.
The way I look at it, is it is a different belief.. and their Constitutional Right. End of story, no matter what stats say. For stats can be interpreted and categorized in many different ways. (not that I completely disagree with you).


You talk about your long gun.. but in canada there's many people wanting that gone. Look at the UN, talking about completely disallowing gun ownership for any citizen. We are not protected in the way the US is with their constitution.
Think of it like this; looking at the 'antiquated' idea, you can say the country has changed and it is no longer required. The same argument can be said for long guns, with hunting and sport. And many people in canada want hunting gone...


Hopefully I made kinda sense.
My opinion is the rules in the US are a bit too 'loose', but its protected. Ours in Canada are too outdated, and too strict, but shouldnt be the same as in the US. Due to different 'cultures' in the two countries.
Mercy to the Guilty is Torture to the Victims

TehBorken

You know, DDD, the fact is that I don't really give a shit. :)  lol

I've carried a sidearm for ~30 years. Probably longer than you've been alive, am I right? So there really isn't anything you could say that I haven't heard 1,000 times before.

If you don't want to carry a gun, don't. But I'm going to.  8)


Quote from: DDD on Dec 23 11 11:59
At one time carrying a gun was needed and as such was recognized by the government at that time.
But as the world changed this antiquated right has been left behind and is so entrenched now it is looked upon as a god given right.
All you have to do is look at the statistics between USA and Canada to see owning guns does not protect the average person in the USA if anything it puts more people at risk. Statistics do not lie.
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

Natasha

Quote from: Russ on Dec 23 11 06:36
I believe they should be allowed. They are for target shooting and protection.
Agreed.
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I had in the past year, someone openly hop my fence and start looking through stuff around my garage. I caught the person, and with the dog barking at him hopping around him, he told me if I stopped him or my dog bit him he would press charges. He walked right out through my front yard. I was on my cell with the police, they came and took my statement. They told me if I had restrained him in any way, I would have been charged. Also said nothing they could do, other then file a report.
:o  That's horrible!  The state I currently live in takes trespassing issues very seriously. In this area even a simple "No trespassing" sign is a huge deal. Hunters can not cross properties without carrying a written permission slip from the land owners. And the safest place to be is your own property. Hearing about someone getting shot over trespassing is a normal thing around here. I mean people aren't carelessly shooting each other just because they can and it doesn't happen often but if someone is wrongfully on your property with ill intent they are considered fair game and you have the law on your side.
Many of the homes in this area are weapon carrying homes. Some people are descreet with their guns. Others are very open about it. I can't even count how many times I've walked into a home and saw a rifle propped up against the wall right behind the very door I just walked through. I myself keep a glock right beside my bed at all times... just in case. 

QuoteBetter rights for the property owner, but not to the extent of shooting someone unless it is justified.
Perfectly said.



Natasha

Quote from: TehBorken on Dec 23 11 06:45

If you don't want to carry a gun, don't.
Exactly!   

DDD

Quote from: TehBorken on Dec 23 11 06:45
You know, DDD, the fact is that I don't really give a shit. :)  lol

I've carried a sidearm for ~30 years. Probably longer than you've been alive, am I right? So there really isn't anything you could say that I haven't heard 1,000 times before.

If you don't want to carry a gun, don't. But I'm going to.  8)

No I am 47 and I new what you would say.

But I will say it again shooting a person for going on your land is BS.

And just cause u can carry a gun does not make it right

And for all those people that have a gun in there own home then where killed by there own gun bet they would change that if they could opps too late dead is dead

And lets not forget the little kids that find the good old gun in there home and oppps dead is dead

But there is both sides to this and that is that.......so be it 
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

TehBorken

Quote from: DDD on Dec 26 11 02:32But I will say it again shooting a person for going on your land is BS.

Where did I ever say I'd shoot someone for going on my land?? Please stop putting words in my mouth, because you have no idea what you're talking about. I never said any such thing.


Quote from: DDD on Dec 26 11 02:32And just cause u can carry a gun does not make it right

Doesn't make what right? If you're talking about the act of carrying itself, I don't care whether you think it's right or not. I'd bet good money that you do things all the time that other people don't think is right. Do you give a shit if other people don't think what you do is right...like owning a rifle?


Quote from: DDD on Dec 26 11 02:32And lets not forget the little kids that find the good old gun in there home and oppps dead is dead

Okay, you've totally convinced me with that extremely fine argument. Guns are absolutely bad because children can be killed by them. But then so are power tools, knives, and cold medicines. Better outlaw those too. And ladders. And pools, lots of children die in pools. And cars- thousands of children die in car crashes every year, so let's ban cars. (Maybe we should ban dihydrogen monoxide (//vny!://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php/topic,7379.msg169245.html#msg169245) while we're at it. :)

And couldn't a child shoot themselves with a rifle?? Like a 30-30, for example? Like the kind you claim to want to own? Should rifles be banned as well?
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

DDD

Police in B.C.'s Lower Mainland continue to investigate five shootings — four of them fatal — over the holidays, which investigators are describing as "separate and tragic events."
The attacks began on Christmas Eve, when 28-year-old Bradley McPherson was shot dead at a house party in Surrey.
On Christmas Day, convenience store clerk Alok Gupta was gunned down in Surrey. A 38-year-old was killed in his Langley driveway on Boxing Day night and a man in his 20s was found dead in Surrey Tuesday morning.
No arrests have been made in any of the fatalities or in connection with a fifth shooting early Christmas morning that left a 54-year-old woman recovering from a chest wound.
Guns used as currency
Investigators believe Tuesday's attack in Surrey was likely targeted, but insist the other shootings are only linked by the fact that they took place during the holiday season.
"It's hard to say what is going on right now but it doesn't appear that these homicides are connected," said Sgt. Jennifer Pound with the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team.
Police said none of the incidents appear to be related to organized crime.
Simon Fraser University criminologist Rob Gordon said guns are more available than they were before due to a flourishing drug trade and proximity to the U.S. border.
"Certainly the influx of weapons is easier into the Vancouver area than other parts of British Columbia," Gordon said. "The guns are a commodity that are used in the same way that we might use dollars to go and purchase things. It's actually better currency because the guns increase in value once they cross the border."
The Vancouver area Gang Task Force has seized almost three times as many guns so far in 2011 than it did in all of 2010.



Vancouver pays the price foe the USA gun laws
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

TehBorken

Quote from: DDD on Dec 28 11 12:02Vancouver pays the price foe the USA gun laws

And law-abiding concealed pistol permit owners like me are responsible for this how, exactly? How does this make what I'm doing wrong?

Maybe you should place the blame on the people that are breaking the law...instead of licensed permit holders?

FYI, the number of concealed pistol permit owners who break gun laws is so low that even the FBI doesn't track it. That's right, they don't even bother to calculate the stats for it- the last time someone did it was in the hundredths of a percent range, if I remember correctly.
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

DDD

Quote from: TehBorken on Dec 28 11 01:15
And law-abiding concealed pistol permit owners like me are responsible for this how, exactly? How does this make what I'm doing wrong?

Maybe you should place the blame on the people that are breaking the law...instead of licensed permit holders?

FYI, the number of concealed pistol permit owners who break gun laws is so low that even the FBI doesn't track it. That's right, they don't even bother to calculate the stats for it- the last time someone did it was in the hundredths of a percent range, if I remember correctly.

You are right


Is it not an issue for you on how easy people that are breaking the law can get one?

Is it not an issue for you on how many kids are killed with one?

Is it not an issue for you that machine guns are sold in the USA?

All these questions and more need to be looked after in the USA so you do need to carry a gun to be safe while out walking around where you live or do you feel its better having too?



God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

TehBorken

No, it's not an "issue" for me that other people break the law. It's not something I have any control over. I can only control my actions and be responsible for what I do.

I carry a sidearm in order to protect myself, my family, my friends, and anyone else that I might be able to help. Including you, DDD, if I saw you were in danger and thought I could help by coming to your aid.

You see, it's not a question of "need", any more than you "need" to carry a first aid kit in your car. But it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Finally, stop with the drama about "machine guns". There are very few machine guns sold in the US. You need a Class 4 Firearms license to own, possess, or transfer a machine gun, and there are very few people in the US with a  Class 4 license.






Quote from: DDD on Dec 28 11 04:53

You are right


Is it not an issue for you on how easy people that are breaking the law can get one?

Is it not an issue for you on how many kids are killed with one?

Is it not an issue for you that machine guns are sold in the USA?

All these questions and more need to be looked after in the USA so you do need to carry a gun to be safe while out walking around where you live or do you feel its better having too?
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

DDD

Finally, stop with the drama about "machine guns". There are very few machine guns sold in the US. You need a Class 4 Firearms license to own, possess, or transfer a machine gun, and there are very few people in the US with a  Class 4 license.

Yea just jabbing you with that.

I just don't like hand guns cause there for killing people IMO

Now if I lived down there I would buy the machine gun  ::)
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

TehBorken

Quote from: DDD on Dec 29 11 10:14I just don't like hand guns cause there for killing people IMO

Good thing no one has ever been killed with a rifle. That would really be a problem, eh?
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

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