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[Michel]

           
 

[P.C.]

 So you're going to start tossing around facts and logic ?  That's not fair.      

[Michel]

   
 

[van_guy]

 Fire: Seriously man, this isn't a fire in a started in a trash can in some office.
Steel melts at extremely high temperatures.

agreed -  steel does melt at very high temperatures - even though the fireballs that ensued after the collisions looked very impressive the actual amount of heat generated by the resulting fire is not great enuf to melt the steel.  High rises are designed to withstand fires so the steel they used was a very high temp melting steel.  I used to be in the earthquake / disaster field professionally - and I learned quite a lot about fire in high rises - there were several really nasty fires in LA and in mexico and in spain that burned for hours over multiple floors - much heavier damage than 9/11 towers.  No strucutral collapse ensued.  For 3 to collapse in one day in the same city seems very very very strange indeed.
 
 When Columbia blew up over Texas weeks later they found bacteria samples from the mission on the ground still alive.

Sure bacteria tend to be on the smallish side - 0.5 microns.  I think it would be pretty easy to find a place for a 1/2 micron organism to hide in a blast.  Inside a steel tube or For a 4 inch piece of paper to survive an inferno seems a little less cerdible
 
If you truly believed this, then where's the public outcry, why didn't thousands of people just storm the white house or something. You're searching in the wrong places for something.  You're just looking as foolish as people who supported the FLQ in October '72 thinking that they were some kind of movement to prosperity instead of just thugs.

I know what you mean ... the only possible explaination i have for this is there was a weird "you are unamerican if you question the official story" mentallity.  I do not live in the US so I can not speak to it with any authority, but as an example when PC and I brought it up your first reaction was to call us crazy, fanatics etc... why did you do that?  Do you think most americans have the same reaction??  I honestly don't know.  
 
 You know I wish the Pacific Northwest and West Coast wasn't so paranoid. Take that back, why are all the regions paranoid? God, I had to deal with this crap in the Midwest about the end of times if gay people got married or this person got elected and such. Then I come up here and its 'They're going to shoot Obama, the secret service, because they're white nationals, so he won't get elected' (heard that on the radio to Seattle) (and he got elected) now its he'll never see the end of his term(s) (well 10 bucks he will) or some other bizarre logic about the government trying to take away all of your guns or something (prevalent in the midwest/south).

But this issue isn't the same as gay marriages that's homophobia
it's not the same as a black man being elected (racist)
to me this is looking at a body of evidence and saying there are some significant questions that have not been answered to my satisfaction.
 
 Communism this, police state that, seriously are we grown ups here or just mindless blobs of children who spout off their faces without realizing what they're saying? I don't understand this mentality and it takes a certain type of individual I guess to believe this utter shit. I always wondered who are the types that listened to George Noory or something at night, I wondered, 'what is really f*cked up with their life to actually believe in this crap, why do they go searching for this utter nonsense, what leads them to this point?' Well apparently smart people to get mixed up in this goofiness and that's a shame.

SD.  let's stay on topic here.  Yes there are issues with the american populace.
 
 But to say these things without really even thinking about them clearly and realize what you are saying, or implying is rather foolish. Like I said, if you believed this the last 8yrs would have been different and you'd of been so scared of the government that you'd of moved into the hinterland, built a cabin, and cut of all internet/radio/tv contact and just sit there with a shotgun preparing for the invasion.

SD.  You arrogant f*ck - how dare you say that I am saying anything without thinking them through clearly. I realize full well what I am saying.  I damn well better get an apology out of you...
I'm saying that there are questions that have not been answered to my satisfaction.  

I don't live in the US so I don't have to worry about buying a shotgun.
 
 People can believe anything I suppose.

Yes they can
   
 

[P.C.]

I would have thought that with your analytical mind, SD, that you would demand better answers.  They're just not there.

  *damn....now I'm back to scouring all the available info again.  It fascinates me.  I'd better go build something.  

[van_guy]

  Sportsdude wrote:
Oh boy, you guys aren't the mysterious crazies who plaster 9/11 inside job all over Vancouver are you? lol

So SD you countered one of my questions with another question but little else  ... can you help me satisfactorily answer any of these??  Please note that I am not saying that Bush did it - or corporate America did it or that Elvis did it I am simply asking questions or pointing to facts that seem statistically improbable.  

Please keep in mind that I have a masters of science degree and have a background in disasters. I added some VERY rough probablilites that i pulled out of my a$$ to illustrate a point.  

Fact: no steel reinforced skyscraper had collapsed due to fire before 9/11 then in one day 3 of them collapse -all owned by the same guy! who happened to bought them a couple months before, and who happened to have taken out multi billion dollar insurance against terrorism.  The chances of this alone are close to 1 in a million. ?

Fact: all 3 collapsed at free fall speed, i.e. with little or no resistance from the structural elements below - the laws of physics took the day off??  chances 1 in 10 million.?

Fact: all 3 huge towers collapsed into their own footprint - it takes trained demolition crews months to demolish building so that this happens - but all three do it on the same day due to inhomogenous damage (i.e. the planes did not hit dead center of the buildings) this doesn't make sense to me.  chances 1 in 10 million?

George W Bush saw video of the first plane crash when no -one else on the planet did.  chances 1: 7 billion

Fact: the twin towers were designed to be hit by large aircraft but they all collapsed anyway 1:10,000

Fact:  the buildings were scrapped before a thorough investigation could be completed. chances 1 in 100,000?

Fact: traces of thermite (an explosive used to demolish buildings) was found by a prof at BYU in some of the steel from the site. chances this is a mistake or    1:1000?

Fact: in the wreckage of the towers temperatures above the melting temperature of steel were recorded (after many days of NYFD spraying water on it). If compounds such as thermite were not used how do you explain that?  chances that nasa made a mistake 1:1 million?

Weird fact: one of the terrorists passports was discovered in the streets below.  A piece of paper survives an inferno that was supposed to be so intense it softened steel?? 1 in a milion?

Weird fact:  BBC has found several of the 9//11 hijackers alive and well  1:1,000?

Weird fact: NORAD screwed up numerous times with respect to shooting down these hijacked planes. 1:10,000?

Weird fact: there was VERY little wreckage outside of the pentagon. VERY little.   1:10,000

Weird fact:  there was a VERY small hole in the side of the pentagon  1:10,000?

Weird fact:  there was a hole that went through some 9ft?  (i could be off a bit - but a huge amount of ) reinforced concrete.   1:10,000?

Weird fact: no bodies were recovered from the plane that crashed into the pentagon 1:10,000?

Fact: Flight 93 crash - no bodies were found at the site. 1:10000?

Fact: Flight 93 very little evidence of an airplane crash there - no blood no bodies almost nothing there... plane crashes are usually very messy. 1:10,000?

again SD these are jus a few of teh very few questions that, in my mind, are poorly answered.


 
 

[van_guy]

 P.C. wrote:
I would have thought that with your analytical mind, SD, that you would demand better answers.  They're just not there.
 
*damn....now I'm back to scouring all the available info again.  It fascinates me.  I'd better go build something.

Sorry PC didn't mean to go on a tangent there and restoke the obsession.
 

[P.C.]

Oh please don't be.  Like I said....it always fascinates me and I'm always interested in hearing others 'take' on some of the issues that puzzle me the most.

[Michel]

   

[P.C.]

I read it.  I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to say. [img onclick="selecte('eh.gif');" alt=emoticon src="vny!://www.pushupstairs.com/images/emoticon/blehnet/eh.gif" border=0]  Who is being naive ?

[Michel]

           

[P.C.]

  Oh spit it out !

[Michel]

   

[P.C.]

Don't make me come over there !

[Michel]