Mosque Near Ground Zero

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Take6

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DDD

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 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]This Mosque should not be built

God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

Natasha

DDD wrote:
  [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]This Mosque should not be built

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 That was always my opinion on the matter.

DDD

The more you hear about the people wanting to build it .......... the more pissed off I get about it
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

Natasha

Most think it's a matter of freedom of religion but I don't agree with that. If it were many worship houses wouldn't exist now for one reason or another. Imo  the location is all wrong. But as in most cases no matter what the outcome Americans will come out looking like a**holes.

- allowing the Mosque to be built there will make it seem as if Americans are turning their backs on each other and spitting in the eyes of those who innocently died near Ground Zero.

  - not allowing the Mosque to be built there will make it look like America is damning a religion and those who worship it.

  One choice will overall bring the country itself closer together. The other choice will further divide it.

Orik

make ground zero a religion free zone say a 1 to 2 mile wide perimeter from ground zero... there fore there is no discrimination to any one group because all religious groups are treated the same


 
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Gopher

Not a religion free zone, but a multi-religion zone would seem to be the best....may religions, but only one God.  
A fool's paradise is better than none.

Orik

Then if they do that, they will have to allow the mosque to be built...I for one think it is an affront to the American people to build the Mosque there.... but thats the whole reason they want it built there to cause confrontation to take peoples minds off other things they don't want them to notice..

I also think Sept 11 Was not enabled alone I fear that special interest party's within the US government were involved. But I am what you folks call a conspiracy nut.. I think America blew up there own towers just to enable certain laws to remove specific rights from the people...

Special interest groups within the American government continue pass laws and change things allowing them to move one step closer to enabling martial law and the creation of an american dictatorship...

I am just waiting on the opening of those mass concentration camps and they have allready started implemnting the closure of the borders, they have been making it harder for people to cross for years long before 9/11 Currently we have to show a passport to cross or a electronically ( security enhanced) chipped identification card. They have also made it so people that didn't need to have a visa to cross, now those same peoples need to have a Visa.. Controll of movement.

How long till they take away your guns ? oh I forgot they are all ready doing that. In the US and in Canada's... they call it the long gun registration  to prevent criminals from owning a gun ahem Criminals are the ones with the guns.. Not the legal hunters..

But the best way to know who has a weapon and who will need to be controlled is to have them register there long guns.. So in the event of martial law  is set into place they can send the goon squads in to disappear specific people they deem a threat to there own interests.. IE resistence groups or survivalists who are gun enthusiast's Any hunter groups that have formed will be suspect. Any group they think has formed or is forming that has a gun  they want them registered so when they move to take control there will be minimal resistance... they want to know who to keep an eye on...

conspiracy & secret police, Dictatorships & Military Law vrs  martial Law = Denial of rights..

How long till they make it illegal to say what you think and feel. How long before they start censoring web sites you can visit.. Uhh Ohh hold on wait a second they are all ready doing that... I forgot they already have laws that do that. They can block any sites they want and enforce it by making the material unobtainable via direct blocking  at the source with the ISP you use..

Those laws where  already passed.. freedom of speech hmm not much left any more.. they even have special government employed people to post on line to debunk conspiracy theories to create false fronts of information .. anyways back to being a sheep in the closet pretending nothing is goong on.. every thing is perfectly fine..

Did anyone else watch the secret service info on channel 42 and 44 the learning channel and the history channel..  on how the secret service works on how the president is protected.. how they train the secret service, what kind of weapons they use, what weaknesses they have, what strengths they have.. they spent 45 minutes go on and on that the biggest thereat to the president is from a multiple stinger missile attack on the helicopter or limo...

Shit it is almost like they want an assassination attempts to be made.. why not broadcast via bull horn all the info they gave away in that 4 hour TV special in every terrorist country of the world..

I used to think all that information was illegal to give out.. The  martial info that was given out makes  me wonder if they want a terrorist organization to strike at the presidents helicopter and limo escort with several stinger missiles from all points of the compass.. After watching that tv special, I almost could fear for the presidents life, just because of how in-depth that material was...

Everything happens for a reason.. my question is this...why was that info given to john q media to share to john q public... all it takes is one john q nut job to succeed and mass chaos ensues... Anyways if they ( a terrorist cell group or some military unit of some right wing nutters) make an attempt on the president before the year is out I would not be surprised..

Lets consider one scary thing.. on the American or on the Russian and pretty much world wide black market is a boatload of these things called stinger misslies  I understand they are duirt cheap, I understand they can be viable and enhanced to destroy a target up to 2 miles away from its launch point.  I understand the missile can fly faster than the speed of sound.. it is light weight and difficult to destroy once sent on its way.

This is all info courtesy of those tv specials.. Now considering how easy it is to buy a x-box or a play-station these days.. plus how easy it is to program chips that can apparently be easily substituted in to those stinger missiles (which are seemingly compatible to those chips in the game systems) well buy a x-box take the chip from it, program it, pop open the stinger, insert the newly programed x box chip in it and viola, a terrorist now has a very new and very dangerous weapon...

multiple chips that can be adapted to allow for thoser missiles to be programed for many different jobs Ie, use gas or biologicals,  on to blow up insides some vehicle after using its armour piercing capabilities or maybe a massive multi mine explosion above a crowd the concussion ones desighned to flatten and tear boddies apart via blast & shock waves.. or ones filled with mini ball bearings.

One nasty weapon.. One idiotic T.V show sharing to much damn info. + to many damn nutters.. + damn cheap black market weapons.. = any kind of shit might happen...

I need a drink.....


 
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Russ

I still say screw that.

Religious freedoms be damned.

Its ground zero. It holds a special place to americans.. thats a line that should not be crossed for whatever touchy feely crap that idiot in the white house is thinking of next.
Mercy to the Guilty is Torture to the Victims

Orik

Nod's in agreement.. Inside job or not.. terrorist cell or not.. The ground is hallowed to the American people and a mosque should not be built there..

 
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P.C.

How do you get around that though, without going against the First Ammendment of the Constitution ?  (I think it's the first ? )  

Right or wrong, I don't see where they have a choice.
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Orik

Not much unless they plan to change the laws on them... thus they take away even more rights and freedoms... but hey that is the master plan after all.

 
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Sportsdude

   Just to clarify -- it's not a mosque - but a community centre with a prayer room (like a YMCA) -- and, furthermore, it's not anywhere near 'Ground Zero'. The Vancouver equivalent of where this building is, would be to say if English Bay is 'Ground Zero', the proposed community centre is at the corner of Davie and Granville in Yaletown.

Also, there's a mosque  - which is not a community centre - that has been historically located down the street from 'Ground Zero' and its location is near the lower Manhattan synagogue - also roughly the same distance away too, (and then add the Catholic cathedral located on 'Ground Zero' premises).

So, to continue the Vancouver comparison:

Ground Zero - English Bay Beach at the corner of Beach Ave and Denman.
Catholic Cathedral - Davie and Denman
The Mosque - Denman and Robson
The Synagogue- Denman and Georgia
The proposed community centre - Davie and Granville

Hope this helps in understanding the location.

     
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Orik

then they are just being a bit to picky.. i thought they meant to put it right on top of things.. thanks for the update SD, heck it is the better part of 2 miles away in that perspective.. and it should not be a problem..

As for they prayer room I have a samll problem with that.. Prayer rooms should stay in the churches and out of the rec centres.. If they can not have em in schools then they should stay out of the comunity centres as well..

just my useless opinion on things..


 
Never give up Never surrender Fight with ur last breath Fight 2 live & Fight 2 survive. Never say never & never say die. There comes a time when all will die A time we transcend & attain our place afterlife. My Fight is not yet done, I'm tired & I'd like to go home, But I'm not ready to go just yet.

Russ

P.C. wrote:
<DIV>How do you get around that though, without going against the First Ammendment of the Constitution ?  (I think it's the first ? )  </DIV> <DIV>Right or wrong, I don't see where they have a choice.</DIV>


You are right PC. They cannot, not allow it to happen legally. I just wish the people doing this would have some sympathy to the american undertone which is currently happening. (waves *hi* )


Yeah, I read that too SD. It is a fair distance and its not only a mosque. However it still is close to ground zero and it still goes against the current american feeling.
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