Should we pay carbon tax?

Started by Lise, Jun 19 08 08:01

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Should we pay carbon tax?

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Sportsdude

#30
Jun 20 08 02:28
  Van wrote:
Insults? You are a timid little guy hey? easily offended. Are you Emo?
 
ok, to me, the people that live on the Island, CHOOSE TO DO SO! It is not a prison. They have the freedom to move elsewhere. If someone wants to catch a concert in Vancouver, they better stay at a friend's house, or get a hotel and make a night out of it.----

No. It's whenever we have some kind of reasonable great discussion here, it always leads to 'I'm out of things to say so I'll knock where SD is from" or somebody starts using stupid polarizing words like 'communists, fascists, loser unions, welfare scabs' etc. It's something you don't do when you want to discuss something with someone and it shows you've run out of things to say constructively.

Just look at the House of Commons and those baffoons. Yelling and screaming, insulting each other and being big babies. Then the MPs that do care in that building wonder why Canadians have turned them off. Same thing happens here in the states except the way our government houses are set up, they don't really bicker at each other like they do in the parliamentary system. Instead pols take it to the airwaves and the media through radio programmes which I believe is worse for the country and leads to deepening polarization. Keep the hate in the buildings, don't bring it outside or mom should wash out your mouth with soap. Politics is not suppose to be personal, yet we've made it that way which leads to hatred of each other.

Anyway. :) *takes a deep breath*

I meant 'prison' in the term of if you live on the island, you have to pay insane fees to get off. The constant prices going up make it not affordable for someone to reasonably leave the island. It cost me 60 dollars to take my car and myself off the island on a one way trip. Add a family of four and you are looking at around 180 dollars for a 'trip'. To me that is an economic prison. Punishing an island of around 800,000 for living on an island. It's just slowly putting up economic barriers that will eventually lead to political barriers and Island provincialism.
My last weekend on the island, I ran into two guys playing extreme Frisbee golf. These guys were rather hilarious but they wondered why anybody would want to leave the island, the conversation though went from their point of view to quickly went to "mainland sucks, nobody cares about us, Vancouver full of crime and immigrants" etc. It reminded me of the first weekend on the island where the local kids proceeded to talk to me for hours on end about how the mainland hates us, we are Islanders, f*ck mainland, nobody cares about us etc. I wouldn't be shocked if a Cape Breton style movement happens on the Island.
 
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

P.C.

#31
Jun 20 08 02:53
  Lil Me......I think you're BRILLIANT !!!!!  A Carbonated Tax.  Who'd a thunk the solution was so simple.  Add 2 ounces of Everclear and it will bring a whole new meaning to being taxed til yer naked.  I think I'll have one now.  
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

Sportsdude

#32
Jun 20 08 02:54
A carbonated tax to stop public burping. lol  
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Van

#33
Jun 20 08 03:09
 [FONT face=Arial size=2][SPAN class=177053321-20062008]sports, I don't mean to insult you or where you came from. I am just saying, you probably know a lot more about where you came from than BC.  I wouldn't tell you about Missourri political issues or regional differences if I went to school there for awhile, met a few people, and watched and read your media. I still would not have a clue about what Missourri is all about, and I wouldn't pretend to.[/SPAN][/FONT]

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[FONT face=Arial size=2][SPAN class=177053321-20062008]It is just the trying to prove so hard you know more about what goes on in BC, than people like over half of this forum that lived in BC, all, or most of our lives. If anyone should be insulted, it isn't you. Same with the things you pretty much say about anywhere in the world. You are an expert on that place, more than the people who were born and raised there. I remember you judging all Albertans that way too.[/SPAN][/FONT]

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[FONT face=Arial size=2][SPAN class=177053321-20062008]I know there is isolationism on the Island and the interior. "No hope past Hope" is a common saying in the interior. But it is far from the extremity you make it out to be. Like I say, people on the Island, moved there for a reason, or were born and raised there.  [/SPAN][/FONT]

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[FONT face=Arial size=2][SPAN class=177053321-20062008]Cape Breton! lol That is awesome![/SPAN][/FONT]

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[FONT face=Arial size=2][SPAN class=177053321-20062008]As for the carbon tax, that is something I am totally against. I don't care if anyone else supports it, it is their right to.[/SPAN][/FONT][/DIV]
When the End comes, don't worry if your party shoes are clean or not. Just make sure you have them on!

Sportsdude

#34
Jun 20 08 03:37
I've heard Cape Breton IS awesome.  
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

P.C.

#35
Jun 20 08 04:11
As much as I like the 'isolation' of the Island (although that's not how I really feel), I DO resent it costing an arm and a leg to visit my family who are virtually 20 minutes away (as the crow flies).  Ferry rates are apparently going to take another substantial hit at the end of the summer.  I can barely afford them now.  I consider BC ferries to be part of BC's highway....and I pay taxes for all of BC's highways.....PLUS an additional heavy hit to have access to them.  I accept though, that that's just the way it is.

  Having said that, as Van says.....I CHOOSE to live here.  It's benefits to me, far outweigh being cut off from the mainland.  ( people clamoring for a bridge need to hush......no bridge)   When it comes down to that choice, I'd rather pay the heavy ferry rates).

  SD, I agree with Van as well regarding your assumption that you know what's best for BC or Vancouver Island after living in Nanaimo for 7 or 8 months.  As much as you ARE entitled to your thoughts, opinions and ideas on it, they are no substitute for those of the people who have spent their lives here.  It's nice to toss around ideas.....but it's hard to be 'put in your place' by anyone who has spent their life in another country.

    Oh yea......I'm still on [FONT size=6]NO[/FONT] for carbon taxes....or any other name they want to dream up for it.  
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

Lil Me

#36
Jun 20 08 04:55
It should be called the Universal Carbon-Based Life Form Tax.  
"In the absence of clearly-defined goals, we become strangely loyal to performing daily trivia until ultimately we become enslaved by it."  Robert Heinlein

Sportsdude

#37
Jun 20 08 05:43
 Sorry if it comes out that way, I really just want to know what everybody thinks. I'm basing my opinion on the opinion that I get from others who talk to me since I don't know the area, wanting to fit in so to speak.  

Someone in Government told me that somewhere in the 90%s of all funding for BC Ferries comes from users. This is how I got the prison idea. Vancouver Island alienation, I felt that the instant I got to the island. I must say though, after university I want to move back to the Island in some fashion. Call me an Islander.
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

P.C.

#38
Jun 20 08 06:56
  Well....I have never felt like a prisoner here.  On the contrary, I feel trapped, clausterphobic and penned in when I go to the mainland.  I get the initial 'warm fuzzy' when I go to the mainland ......but I usually can't wait to get back to prison....I mean home.  

  I know one thing for certain....if I ever do feel that way, I will choose to move.  I also have not experienced the 'Vancouver Island alientation'.  I'm not sure if I even know what that is.  Attending concerts, games or mainland events can be a nuisance.....and an expensive nuisance to boot.  I can't imagine though, anyone who would choose to stay here if that were an issue for them.
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

Sportsdude

#39
Jun 20 08 07:03
Prisoner in a sense that you have to pay so much to leave the island. Meh I think its the 18-40 angst. Although good buddy from Port Hardy hasn't left the island in 6 years. lol Going to Vancouver in August, told him to prepare for shock. lol He wanted to know what the place looked like. hahaha  
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Russ

#40
Jun 23 08 09:05
I always say things about unions, ndp communism. Dont know where you think its all about you?

  Dunno, we've had this discussion a few times before.

  I know for a fact that not all the islanders think like that SD.. I have alot of family over there. Remember you are around the young generation, the college one right now.    
Mercy to the Guilty is Torture to the Victims

Lil Me

#41
Jun 23 08 09:08

 
 I'm enjoying this thread.
 Popcorn, anyone?
   
"In the absence of clearly-defined goals, we become strangely loyal to performing daily trivia until ultimately we become enslaved by it."  Robert Heinlein

Van

#42
Jun 23 08 09:14
Lil Me likes popcorn?!

That just goes to show you the angst British Columbians have against biofuels!! Eating corn rather than using oil to create ethanol!

All British Columbians feel this way too! At least the people between 18-40.
When the End comes, don't worry if your party shoes are clean or not. Just make sure you have them on!

Sportsdude

#43
Jun 23 08 11:42
  Russ wrote:
I always say things about unions, ndp communism. Dont know where you think its all about you?
 
Dunno, we've had this discussion a few times before.
 
I know for a fact that not all the islanders think like that SD.. I have alot of family over there. Remember you are around the young generation, the college one right now.
 

About me? Russ you use political labels that a commentator on Fox News, Conservative Radio uses to polarize people, words of hate which have been condemned by both sides of the aisle down here and in Canada, it's what is wrong with politics. We're having an election based on 15-25 years of baseless hate words that have polarized people. People are tired of the cheap words. I used to be like that too, but you know, I'm trying to change because its pointless. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all, people would tell me. It's childish behaviour fit for 5 year olds.

You've missed my point, when a region starts to feel disenfranchised they'll start to think people in their state/province are against them. My family is from Southern Illinois. They hate Chicago, they're paranoid in believing that Northern Illinois doesn't care about Southern. In the 90s there was a movement to split from Illinois. The movement went nowhere and it was rather laughable, but the anger toward 'Chicago' is still there and the people will complain saying 'Illinois isn't fixing the roads again, they need to pave a road in Chicago' or something like that.

In Missouri, there's people that live in Kansas City and St. Louis and then there's everyone else. The 'everyone else' hates St. Louis and Kansas City as 'bastions of liberalism, black people and multi-culturalism'. Here in the two cities we see the rural area as backwards and racist while the rural area sees us as a cess pool of people causing all the problems in Missouri. Any state or province or country where there's one giant city which has most of the area's population and political power, will cause political angst in other parts of its territory. Chicago- Illinois, Missouri-KC and STL, Atlanta-Georgia, Providence-RI, Toronto-Ontario, Montreal-Quebec, Halifax-Nova Scotia, Boston- Mass.


I don't just hang out with 'college' age kids. Just talk to people on the ferries, in public, on the beach in Tofino or Victoria and in the media.

 
 
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Richard

#44
Jun 23 08 12:00
Driving is one of the leading causes of global warming so it's only fair that people who drive should have to pay carbon tax.  
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