CK...DV is full of 30 somethings still in their parents basement. DS, yes, much slower, but is relatively new. Give it some time! [/DIV]DS is like a fine tuned GTO, DV is like a Chevette![/DIV] [/DIV]I think of DS as a jaguar, very classy, and yet still fun and sporty. DV is more like a Pinto....you got to be careful about getting rear-ended. (so to speak)[/DIV]