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Trial' of Bush prompts meeting

Parsippany school officials to discuss classroom project

BY ROB JENNINGS
DAILY RECORD

PARSIPPANY -- Top school officials will huddle privately this morning to discuss a classroom war crimes "trial"  of President Bush at Parsippany High School that suddenly is drawing national attention.

The school board's president, Robert Perlett, said the 8:30 a.m. meeting was called by mutual agreement on Thursday as the uproar surrounding the mock tribunal escalated on the Internet and talk radio.

Perlett said no decision had been made to halt the trial, which is to enter a fourth day today after classes were canceled Thursday due to the snowstorm.

"There is no curtailment of what is going on at the school, at present," Perlett said.

Perlett said that the high school's principal, Anthony Sciaino, would attend the meeting. Sciaino, who did not return a phone call Thursday, said on Wednesday evening that he approved the senior advanced placement government class project in advance.

Interim Superintendent James Dwyer, Assistant Superintendent of Curriculum Kathleen Sleezer and board Vice President Alan Gordon will also attend, Perlett said.

Teacher not invited
Joseph Kyle, whose class is trying Bush for alleged "crimes against civilian populations" and "inhumane treatment of prisoners,"  was not invited, Perlett said.

"It's going to be very interesting. We might as well wait and see if a shoe drops or not,"  said teachers union President John Capsouras.

Capsouras spoke to Kyle by telephone on Thursday evening about the controversy stemming from the trial, in which students are playing the roles of prosecutors, defense lawyers and witnesses and a five-teacher " international court of justice" is sitting in judgment.

" Joe is fine. He's a good man, and he's fine,"  Capsouras said of Kyle, who is the union's vice president and chief negotiator.

Capsouras said Kyle, an eight-year teacher at the high school, was in good spirits despite some crank calls. He said that Kyle, in terms of his job, should be in the clear unless " somebody decides they didn't give him permission"  for the project.

Student outlook
Catherine Galdun, one of four student prosecutors, said she would be upset if the trial -- which Kyle, on Wednesday, likened to a hearing -- is halted.

"I would say that we're doing this in a fair and balanced way,"  said Galdun, 18.

"We're looking at both sides of it. If they don't believe that's right to do in a classroom -- to debate both sides of an issue -- I don't agree with that,"  Galdun said.

A chorus of criticism ensued after a Daily Record story about the project was linked to the Drudge Report on the Internet and discussed on various news programs on Thursday, with e-mails from across the nation calling Kyle a disgrace, a traitor and worse.

"If my child came home from school and told me this was going on, I would have someone's head. This is akin to treason,"  wrote Karen LaBauve of Roswell, N.M., in an e-mail to the Daily Record.

A smaller number praised Kyle.

"So-called conservatives don't have a clue as to what they've bred or are breeding. We need more teachers like Joseph Kyle,"  wrote Belita R. T. Franklin of Jacksonville, Fla.

Jamie Barberio, defeated in the Republican primary for mayor last year, joined former county Sheriff John Fox of Parsippany and Freeholder Jack Schrier of Mendham Township in slamming the project.

"We're presuming that President Bush is an indictable war criminal, when he's not,"  Barberio said. "How about teaching that he's not a war criminal."

A phone call to the White House press office was not returned Thursday.

Dwyer, Sciaino and Kyle did not return phone calls.

Learning process
Another student prosecutor, Stephanie Foltzer, said that after Kyle proposed holding the trial in January, the class was fully in agreement about proceeding.

Foltzer said that extensive research went into the project. At trial, she questioned two of nine prosecution " witnesses" -- students standing in for Sen. John McCain and Hachemi Abdullah, an Iraqi man who allegedly lost several family members in a U.S. bombing raid.

"I can understand the controversy, but I think people are taking this a little bit too far,"  Foltzer said.

Township Council Vice President James Vigilante, a U.S. Air Force reservist, saw a little bit of both sides.

"I'm a Bush fan. I don't necessarily, myself, agree with the lesson plan, but on the flip side, I wouldn't condemn the teacher,"  said Vigilante, a Republican.

"I would hope he's not censored by the school board. For me, it's the right of free speech,"  Vigilante said.

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budfan

"We're presuming that President Bush is an indictable war criminal, when he's not,"  Barberio said. "How about teaching that he's not a war criminal."

Nothing like having preconceived notions, is there?

Barberio is upset that they're saying Bush might be a war criminal, but Barberio (of course) already knows that Bush isn't a war criminal because, well, he just knows. In other words, "you're wrong and I'm right".

See? It's unfair to claim he might be because he's just "not". So simple, so "fair and balanced". Fascist thinking at it's best.



Adam_Fulford

Bush is certainly a war criminal, as are the sociopathic thieves running the taxpayer-looting, non-accountable, crap-manufacturing, experiment-falsifying defense industry.

Mutilated Mind

budfan and Adam Fulford ... both of you are convinced you are right with your stance about Bush. But tell me, how are the notions about Bush that guy has more preconceived than yours are ?

I can certainly accept what you are telling me about Bush, the more so as I hear many other people voicing similar opinions. But as far I myself am concerned, if I just accept what you say, they are preconceived notions all the same...

Preconceived : from pre + conceive.

Pre means "before". So preconceived means something you didn't conceive yourself.


Goobah

just because a notion is preconceived doesn't mean it's wrong. think about that while you're making your nitpicking statements, moronic mind.

TehBorken

 Mutilated Mind wrote:
Pre means "before". So preconceived means something you didn't conceive yourself.

True, but so what? Lots of preconceived notions are just fine in my opinion, depending on the subject matter. And as "goombah" pointed out, just because it's preconceived doesn't mean it's bad (or wrong). It just means that someone else had the idea before you.

Similar to saying that something is a "conspiracy theory" doesn't mean that the theory isn't true.

For example, I have a preconceived notion that electronic voting is generally a bad idea. Just because I wasn't the one who originally came up with that notion doesn't make it any less valid or wrong.
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

Mutilated Mind

Goobah wrote:
just because a notion is preconceived doesn't mean it's wrong. think about that while you're making your nitpicking statements, moronic mind.
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I think the qualifier "moronic mind" fits yourself better than it does me.

The point of a preconceived notion resides in the fact that you don't know if it's right or wrong - and as things go, chances are it's wrong, due to the way preconceived notions have of travelling and of being distributed.

But that was of course lost on you.

Mutilated Mind

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But that was of course lost on you.
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Mutilated Mind

Mutilated Mind (someone who stole his nick anyway) wrote:
Could I be more obfuscatory? More supercilious? I'm working on it  ; )
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Go away, troll.