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[Sportsdude]

Sorry if I am "Anti Gun". Its just that I've grown up around guns (my cousins are farmers) and I've also seen there destruction on human lives (my church was shot up, one of my high school football games a guy pulled a gun on one of our players, I've had friends grandmothers and mothers killed, a kid brought a gun to school, I've seen gang members shooting in the streets, murders at malls, a guy shooting at cars from a bluff near a huge mall in my area).  I've seen the wrath of hand guns and assualt weapons and the affect they have had on my community.  I'm not worried about people hunting, I have no problem with that.  Its guns on the street, more powerful guns then what the cops have that worry me.  And I don't know Washington State laws but in Missouri you can just buy just about anything at a gun show.

[Sportsdude]

Here's the proof:

   ANTI-TRAFFICKING
Is there a one-handgun-per-month limit on gun sales?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state restrictions on gun-trafficking such as a limit on the number of handguns that can be purchased at one time. Gun traffickers can easily buy large quantities of handguns at gun stores and resell them on the street to criminals.


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[A name=aw][/A] ASSAULT WEAPONS
Are there limitations on assault weapons and magazines?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state restriction on the sale or possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons like the AK47 and Uzi. Assault weapons are as easy to buy as hunting rifles. No restriction on the sale or possession of rapid-fire ammunition magazines that can fire up to 100 bullets without reloading. Federal law does prevent the sale of some assault weapons and rapid-fire magazines manufactured after 1994, but the federal law will sunset in 2004 unless Congress and President Bush renew it.

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[A name=ag][/A] ATTORNEY GENERAL REGULATIONS
May Attorney General regulate guns?  [FONT color=green]Yes[/FONT]

 Missouri: State law grants the Attorney General independent authority to regulate firearms, as part of the AG?s responsibility to protect consumers, but the Attorney General has not used this authority to establish gun safety standards.

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[A name=bgnd][/A] BACKGROUND CHECK AT STATE LEVEL
Do state police perform a background check in addition to federal NICS check?  [FONT color=#ff9900]Partial[/FONT]

 Missouri: State law requires handgun buyers to go through a state-based criminal background check to get a permit in addition to the federal NICS check at the time of actual purchase. But buyers of long guns (rifles, shotguns and many assault weapons)only go through the more limited federal check. This could create a serious problem since in many states the federal records are not as complete or up-to-date as state records. Failure to check state records may allow prohibited gun buyers, like those under recently-issued restraining orders or those with mental illness, to improperly buy guns. Also see: Licensing and Waiting Period.

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[A name=ballistic][/A] BALLISTIC FINGERPRINTING
Must handguns be ballistic fingerprinted prior to sale?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state requirement that gun dealers or manufacturers provide police with sample bullets/cartridges or digital images of bullets/cartridges prior to the sale of a handgun, ?ballistic fingerprinting,? which would assist police in tracing bullets at crime scenes to the guns that fired them.

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[A name=ccw][/A] CCW LIMITS
May police limit carrying concealed handguns?  [FONT color=#ff9900]Partial[/FONT]

Missouri - A new state law forces law enforcement to issue permits to carry concealed handguns (CCW) to anyone who can legally buy a gun and has minimal "training," but the law has been blocked pending a decision by the State Supreme Court. The law allows people to carry loaded, hidden handguns in cars and into restaurants, playgrounds, parks, shopping malls, etc. In 2000, Missouri voters rejected a gun lobby ballot initiative for concealed handguns, but the legislature passed it anyway. The law has been challenged as unconstitutional and the appeal is pending in the Missouri Supreme Court. Until resolved, it remains illegal to carry concealed handguns in Missouri.   [P align=right][A href="vny!://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=MO#menu"][img height=20 alt="Return to the Menu" src="vny!://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/images/menu.gif" width=105 border=0][/A]

[A name=cap][/A] CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION - CAP
Are gun owners held accountable for leaving guns accessible to kids?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state requirement that gun owners take responsible steps to prevent children from gaining easy access to their firearms. Gun owners are not held accountable for leaving loaded guns around kids, even if a young child shoots themselves or someone else with a gun left in plain sight.

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[A name=csl][/A] CHILD-SAFETY LOCKS
Must locking devices be sold with guns?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state requirement that guns be sold with child-safety locks that could prevent a tragic accident. Child-safety locks cost as little as $10 and could save lives if sold with firearms.

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[A name=lawsuit][/A] GUN MANUFACTURER ACCOUNTABILITY
Do cities have authority to hold gun makers legally liable?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

Missouri - State law generally prohibits cities or local governments from taking legal action to hold gun manufacturers accountable if they act irresponsibly in the way they design, market or distribute weapons. Gun manufacturers cannot be held legally accountable, unlike the makers of every other product.   [P align=right][A href="vny!://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=MO#menu"][img height=20 alt="Return to the Menu" src="vny!://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/images/menu.gif" width=105 border=0][/A]

[A name=gunshows][/A] GUN SHOW CHECKS
Are background checks required at gun shows?  [FONT color=#ff9900]Partial[/FONT]

 The state requires a criminal background check and 7-day waiting period prior to the purchase of handguns at gun shows (a police-issued permit is required for all handgun sales), just like sales at gun stores. But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want. No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.

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[A name=juvposs][/A] JUVENILE POSSESSION
Are minors restricted from possessing guns?  [FONT color=#ff9900]Partial[/FONT]

 State law does not directly restrict juveniles from possessing handguns without parental permission or authorized supervision, but no handgun permits are granted to people under 21. There are no restrictions on juveniles possessing rifles or shotguns including semiautomatic assault weapons.

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[A name=juvsale][/A] JUVENILE SALE
Is it illegal to sell guns to kids?  [FONT color=green]Yes[/FONT]

 State law restricts selling or giving handguns to juveniles under 21, and other firearms to juveniles under 18, except for supervised loans of firearms or for limited lawful activities (such as hunting).

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[A name=license][/A] LICENSE OR PERMIT TO PURCHASE
Is a license/permit required to buy handguns?  [FONT color=green]Yes[/FONT]

 State law requires handgun buyers to obtain a permit from law enforcement prior to purchasing a handgun. The handgun permit only involves a background check - there is no requirement for safety training or fingerprints. The permit fee is $10.

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[A name=preemption][/A] LOCAL GUN LAWS - PREEMPTION
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 State law forbids local city or county governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer.

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[A name=records][/A] RECORD KEEPING
May police maintain gun sale records?  [FONT color=#ff9900]Partial[/FONT]

 State law authorizes local law enforcement to keep a record of every permit-to-purchase a handgun and the actions taken on those applications. But the state does not keep any records on the sale of rifles or shotguns. The handgun permit records are maintained by police for use in gun tracing and related criminal investigations. But the state does not automatically compare past gun sale records with recent criminal activity to identify and disarm felons and others who bought guns legally, but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to keep possession of their firearms.

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[A name=registrati][/A] REGISTRATION
Are all guns registered with law enforcement?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state requirement that gun owners register their firearms. Police do not know how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. There is no state system to automatically identify and disarm felons and other prohibited people who bought guns legally in the past, but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to keep possession of their firearms.

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[A name=standards][/A] SAFETY STANDARDS
Are there consumer safety standards on guns?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state requirement that handguns meet any basic safety standards. No requirement that guns be sold with a child-safety lock or a built-in ?personalized? lock to prevent unauthorized use. No requirement that handguns have loaded-chamber indicators or magazine safety disconnects that could prevent unintentional shootings. The state Attorney General is authorized to independently establish handgun safety standards, but has failed to do so.

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[A name=training][/A] SAFETY TRAINING
Is safety training required for handgun buyers?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state requirement that handgun buyers receive any safety training at all. No requirement that handgun buyers demonstrate any familiarity with gun laws or knowledge about safe handling/safe storage of handguns.

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[A name=sns][/A] SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIALS
Are there limitations on 'junk' handguns?  [FONT color=red]No[/FONT]

 No state restriction on the sale of Saturday night specials or "junk" handguns. No requirement that handguns meet any safety tests such as a drop-safety test or a firing-performance test. No restriction on the sale of snub-nosed handguns that are very small and easy to conceal.


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[A name=school][/A] SCHOOL ZONES
Is it illegal for CCW permit holders to carry guns into schools?  [FONT color=green]Yes[/FONT]

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[A name=secondary][/A] SECONDARY SALES
Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales?  [FONT color=#ff9900]Partial[/FONT]

 State law requires people buying or otherwise acquiring ownership of a handgun to obtain a purchase permit from local law enforcement, which requires applicants to go through a criminal background check. Permits may take up to 7-days to be issued. A purchase permit and background check are not required for people buying assault weapons, shotguns and rifles from private sellers, including sales at gun shows, swap meets, or through Internet or newspaper advertisements.

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[A name=wait][/A] WAITING PERIOD
Is there a waiting period on gun sales?  [FONT color=green]Yes[/FONT]

 State law requires handgun buyers to first obtain a permit-to-purchase a handgun. Law enforcement may take up to 7 days to issue the permit, during which time they can do a background check. The permit is valid for 30 days. Also see: License Or Permit to Purchase.

 

[TehBorken]

1) You're confusing "semi-automatic" firearms with machineguns. There's a big difference and I suggest you understand it, since nothing you posted above has anything to do with "machineguns" or fully-automatic weapons AT ALL.

2) Show me where it says it's legal to buy a machinegun at a firearms show, as you claimed. I didn't see that in there.

3) Adopting the knee-jerk position that an object (like a gun) is responsible for anything is just plain silly. You might as well blame get-away cars for bank robberies or motorcycle helmets for head injuries.

[Sportsdude]

The state requires a criminal background check and 7-day waiting period prior to the purchase of handguns at gun shows (a police-issued permit is required for all handgun sales), just like sales at gun stores. But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want. No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.

[TehBorken]

 Sportsdude wrote:
But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors."

[span style="font-weight: normal;"]And this isn't required in a store for rifles (long guns), either, so I what's your point?[/span]

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"Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want."

This is simply not true, and you should research your facts a little better. To legally buy ANY gun from ANY source in the United States you must provide identification. This includes private transfers or sales, by the way. Juveniles cannot legally buy ANY firearm, in fact they can't even buy BB guns.


No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.
 Not true. And you're still confusing "semi-automatic" firearms with "fully-automatic" firearms. The AK-47 you can buy at gun stores (and shows) is NOT, repeat NOT a machinegun or a fully-automatic weapon. Don't you care if any of your facts or basic premises are correct??

Please stop spreading these outright untruths. It's little more than FUD.

[Sportsdude]

 [TABLE class=report_card cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0] [TBODY] [TR vAlign=top] [TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px" vAlign=center align=middle colSpan=3] [DIV style="FONT: bold 12px/15px arial"]Missouri Receives a "D+" on Laws Shielding Families From Gun Violence[/DIV][/TD][/TR] [TR vAlign=top] [TD class=action_text]Legislation[/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]Grade[/TD] [TD class=action_text style="PADDING-LEFT: 6px"]Comments[/TD][/TR] [TR vAlign=top] [TD colSpan=3] [HR align=center width="100%" color=#000000 noShade SIZE=1] [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Juvenile Possession Law [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]B [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]NOT SPECIFIED; handgun permits limited to persons over 21 [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Juvenile Sale/Transfer Law [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]A [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]YES, handguns must be 21, other firearms 18 [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Child Access Prevention Law [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]F [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]NONE [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Gun Safety Locks and Safer Design Standards [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]F [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]NONE [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Allow Cities To Regulate Guns (Non-Preempt) [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]F [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]NO [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Secondary "Private" Sales Background Checks [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]B+ [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]YES, permit required for handgun sales [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=action_text id=report_grades_left align=left]Carrying Concealed Weapons Law [/TD] [TD class=action_text align=middle]D- [/TD] [TD class=actionsmall id=report_grades_right]No police discretion, training, reciprocity, in cars w/o permit, 23 years old [/TD][/TR][!-- Extra Credit/Demerits --] [TR vAlign=top] [TD colSpan=3]
 [TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR vAlign=top] [TD class=action_text noWrap]Extra Credit[/TD] [TD class=action_text style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px"]Demerits[/TD][/TR] [TR vAlign=top] [TD colSpan=3] [HR align=center width="100%" color=#000000 noShade SIZE=1] [/TD][/TR] [TR vAlign=top] [TD class=action_text]Permit needed to acquire handguns. [/TD] [TD class=action_text style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px"]Prohibits local government lawsuits against gun industry.[/TD][/TR][/TD][/TBODY][/TABLE][/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

[Sportsdude]

 [TABLE class=gray13 width=500] [TBODY] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]St. Louis, MO[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]Kansas City, MO[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD]Population:[/TD] [TD]335,143[/TD] [TD]446,659[/TD] [TD] [/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]Murder:[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]113[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]89[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD]Forcible Rape:[/TD] [TD]175[/TD] [TD]316[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]Robbery:[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]2632[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]1923[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD]Aggravated Assault:[/TD] [TD]4041[/TD] [TD]4121[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]Burglary:[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]6300[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]6952[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD]Larceny Theft:[/TD] [TD]23592[/TD] [TD]22800[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]Vehicle Theft:[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]8912[/TD] [TD bgColor=#e5edff]5314[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]  

[Sportsdude]

Detroit

pop. 914,353

  Crime: Total

Murder : 385

Forceable Rape : 719

Robbery : 5,451

Aggravated Assault : 9,358

Burglary : 12,202

Larceny Theft :  20,640

Vehicle Theft : 24, 573

  Washington D.C.

pop. 553,523

  Crime: Total

Murder: 198

Forceable Rape: 218

Robbery: 3,057

Aggravated Assault: 3,863

Burglary: 3,943

Larceny Theft: 13,756

Vehicle Theft: 8,136  

[TehBorken]

   Sportsdude wrote:
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[/font][/td][/tr] [tr valign="top"] [td class="action_text"][font size="1"]Legislation[/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]Grade[/font][/td] [td class="action_text" style="padding-left: 6px;"][font size="1"]Comments[/font][/td][/tr] [tr valign="top"] [td colspan="3"] [hr style="height: 1px;" align="center" color="#000000" noshade="noshade" size="1" width="100%"] [/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Juvenile Possession Law [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]B[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]NOT SPECIFIED; handgun permits limited to persons over 21 [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Juvenile Sale/Transfer Law [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]A[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]YES, handguns must be 21, other firearms 18 [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Child Access Prevention Law [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]F[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]NONE [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Gun Safety Locks and Safer Design Standards [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]F[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]NONE [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Allow Cities To Regulate Guns (Non-Preempt) [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]F[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]NO [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Secondary "Private" Sales Background Checks [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]B+[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]YES, permit required for handgun sales [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td class="action_text" id="report_grades_left" align="left"][font size="1"]Carrying Concealed Weapons Law [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" align="center"][font size="1"]D-[/font] [/td] [td class="actionsmall" id="report_grades_right"][font size="1"]No police discretion, training, reciprocity, in cars w/o permit, 23 years old [/font][/td][/tr][!-- Extra Credit/Demerits --] [tr valign="top"] [td colspan="3"][font size="1"]
[/font] [table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"] [tbody] [tr valign="top"] [td class="action_text" nowrap="nowrap"][font size="1"]Extra Credit[/font][/td] [td class="action_text" style="padding-left: 10px;"][font size="1"]Demerits[/font][/td][/tr] [tr valign="top"] [td colspan="3"] [hr style="height: 1px;" align="center" color="#000000" noshade="noshade" size="1" width="100%"] [/td][/tr] [tr valign="top"] [td class="action_text"][font size="1"]Permit needed to acquire handguns. [/font][/td] [td class="action_text" style="padding-left: 10px;"][font size="1"]Prohibits local government lawsuits against gun industry.[/font][/td][/tr][/tbody][/table][/td][/tr][/tbody][/table][font size="1"]

[/font]You're proving exactly what I said- juveniles CANNOT buy handguns or long guns. Period. You must be 18 or older, and it says so right in your chart.

Access Prevention laws are ridiculous- they sound great but in reality are useless and work against the interest of public safety.

[font style="font-weight: bold;" size="2"]Secondary "Private" Sales:    Background Checks [/font][font style="font-weight: bold;" size="2"]YES, permit required for handgun sales [/font]

I could have sworn you said there was no check required. But there is, isn't there?


 

[TehBorken]

 [font size="1"] Sportsdude wrote:
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[/td] [td bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]St. Louis, MO[/font][/td] [td bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]Kansas City, MO[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]Population:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]335,143[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]446,659[/font][/td] [td][font size="1"] [/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]Murder:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]113[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]89[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]Forcible Rape:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]175[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]316[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]Robbery:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]2632[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]1923[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]Aggravated Assault:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]4041[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]4121[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]Burglary:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]6300[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]6952[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]Larceny Theft:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]23592[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);"][font size="1"]22800[/font][/td][/tr] [tr] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]Vehicle Theft:[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]8912[/font][/td] [td style="color: rgb(162, 162, 162);" bgcolor="#e5edff"][font size="1"]5314[/font][/td][/tr][/tbody][/table] [font size="1"]Posting reams of stats is not going to prove your point, nor does it show anything substantive.
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[Sportsdude(logged out)]

 Houston, Texas

pop: 2,043,446

  Crime: Total

Murder : 272

Forceable Rape : 908

Robbery : 10,182

Aggravated Assault : 12,065

Burglary : 27,110

Larceny Theft :  74,752

Vehicle Theft : 21,563

    Dallas, Texas

pop. 1,228,613

   Crime: Total

Murder : 248

Forceable Rape : 588

Robbery : 74,666

Aggravated Assault : 7,863

Burglary : 23,126

Larceny Theft : 55,059

Vehicle Theft : 15,881[/DIV]

    San Antonio, Texas

pop. 1,235,128

   Crime: Total

Murder : 94

Forceable Rape : 667

Robbery : 2,127

Aggravated Assault : 4,948

Burglary : 14,720

Larceny Theft :  60,868

Vehicle Theft : 5,667[/DIV]

   

[Sportsdude]

Well this thread is about crime in america so I'll keep posting stats. Atlanta, Phoenix and Tampa are next.

    I wasn't talking about minors buying guns. I'm talking about criminals buying guns. There are loop holes in missouri's system. And when the concealed weapon law passed it stated that people can have a hand gun in their car WITHOUT a permit. Now this doesn't really bother me when it comes to responsible owners like you Tehborken. I'm talking about gangs and street violence in our cities. What people do with there guns for recreational purposes I don't care its the GUNS ON THE STREET that worries me because I've seen them at schools, alley ways, mardi gras etc.  Bottom line when people are shooting holes into the Edward Jones Dome, roof from interstate 70 YOU HAVE A GUN PROBLEM.

[Sportsdude]

Atlanta, Georgia

pop. 430,066

   Crime: Total

Murder : 112

Forceable Rape : 267

Robbery :  3,116

Aggravated Assault :  4,427

Burglary :  6,726

Larceny Theft :  20,703

Vehicle Theft :  5,756

    Phoenix, Arizona

pop. 1,428,973

   Crime: Total

Murder : 202

Forceable Rape : 490

Robbery : 3,723

Aggravated Assault : 5,050

Burglary : 16,496

Larceny Theft :  53,041

Vehicle Theft : 24,869[/DIV][/DIV]

[Sportsdude]

Los Angeles

pop. 3,864,018

   Crime: Total

Murder : 518

Forceable Rape : 1,131

Robbery : 14,181

Aggravated Assault : 26,956

Burglary : 23,182

Larceny Theft :  72,045

Vehicle Theft : 29,973

    New York

pop.  8,101,321

   Crime: Total

Murder : 570

Forceable Rape : 1,428

Robbery : 24,373

Aggravated Assault : 29,317

Burglary : 26,100

Larceny Theft :  124,016

Vehicle Theft : 21,072[/DIV][/DIV]

[Gopher]

Impressive figures, but you won't change my mind - I'm still not going to visit America.