van_guy wrote:
I wouldn't consider Maoism a form of communism, its its own theory. And realistically these movements are about power for a few no matter whatever slogan they use or say they represent. Its still an elite political class of revolutionary philosopher kings wanting to remake the world. Since they want to keep power, they'll masquerade into different arenas to keep control. So its logical to say well this was inevitable. lol
Agreed - but technically China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, north korea are communist countries.
Then again, most of my Chinese buddies laugh at the idea of democracy, dynasties have always seemed to work for China, and its the only way that the country can stay together regardless (according to them and they've got a point with all the factions).
I don't think that china would do well with democracy. Imagine trying to make some of the really tough political moves that it needs to do if it were a democracy - i.e. one child family. that would never fly in a democracy.
You're seeing the same thing with Putin in Russia, hey we get our dignity back, yea, that's all that matters.
I think russians are a little odd - but yeah they need a strong leader otherwise chaos will erupt ... can you imagine a Stephan Dion trying to lead them??
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yeah 'communism' in the western media definition. I go by historical definitions and the two are exclusive from one another. But whatever, I laugh when someone says Red China. Yeah Red China, the part of the world that developed money... lol
No, I'm not talking about policies. You have to be stable to have policies. China can't ever be stable unless its under a dynasty type rule. When the civil war happened so many factions were fighting each other. Its like any dilussional person who wants 'democracy' in the middle east. Some dictators/regimes act as a pot with the lid closed and the water is boiling on high. You take off the top and it spews everywhere. That's what would happen in countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, and China. You'd have a mess and would be creating much more harm to the world then good. But, unless you had an alterior motive as the only world super power who is losing its grips on being the world cop. You'd want chaos. Chaos is the only thing that can bring China down and from a US government economic power situation, chaos keeps the US the top dog. Because China couldn't function as a whole, it would splinter in segments.
While the One Child policy is going to create an imbalance, India doesn't have such a policy and they're going to get too big and start having resource depletion. India needs some kind of family planning or its not going to be a super power. It'll have the problem of two many people and too many problems related to the too many people.
Russia never had 'democracy' therefore they don't know what it is and their history has been shaped on pride and power. So as long as someone can give them back a sense of dignity and pride (just take a simple look at their history its full of dominant sometimes tyrannical people who brought power and wealth).
China's been ruled by Dynasty's there's always been a ruling elite class and knowing your place in society's hierarchy. China now will let you do anything as long as you don't piss off the ruling elite and the people who do piss of the elite are rebel rousers wannabe elites who have lost power in some form since the new dynasty took over. That's how mainland Chinese see everything and they've got a point.
