What did you last buy?

[P.C.]

Thanks LM and Russ.

purelife...it came from a thrift store.  I don't think you could get anything...even in that dreadful condition, for 15 dollars at an antique store.  
 

[Lil Me]

Some of the antique stores around here are just funky junk stores.  I think they're just kidding when they put the price tags on.

Lots on Front St in New West, Main St Vancouver, Cloverdale.

[P.C.]

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Yes...there's a lot of those around.  Love poking around in them, but most seem to charge the antiquey prices  for the funky junk as well.  I picked up the desk at a regular old thrift store.  They also had the most beautiful piano I have ever seen.  All beautifully carved but not ornate, VERY old.  The top and back was styled almost like a mantle.  It was cheap like borscht, but Sawdust would have fainted to see another piece of furniture come into this house.
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[Russ]

 P.C. wrote:
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Yes...there's a lot of those around.  Love poking around in them, but most seem to charge the antiquey prices  for the funky junk as well.  I picked up the desk at a regular old thrift store.  They also had the most beautiful piano I have ever seen.  All beautifully carved but not ornate, VERY old.  The top and back was styled almost like a mantle.  It was cheap like borscht, but Sawdust would have fainted to see another piece of furniture come into this house.
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I agree, too overpriced for many things.
Sawdust shouldnt worry. My brother and I cured my mother of that pretty quick. We had a wood burning fireplace at the time you see.. and the oldest in was teh first to go. She wouldnt notice for a bit.. then she caught on quick.
 

[van_guy]

Russ,

This is probably the most impressive hot water heater - in that it doesn't need any kind of a pump ...
vny!://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTO4aQZ9LI8

One REALLY easy thing to do is to simple put dark or black plastic mats or other objects on the bottom of the pool.

this one is really cheap and easy ...
vny!://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBAi_TVNaiM&feature=fvw

[van_guy]

Russ,

This uses a different technology, a parabolic mirror focused on a pipe.
Simple and pretty cheap.

vny!://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXXOwfZA2Rk&feature=fvw

[van_guy]

Russ,

I like this one - I think you could modify it for water I like the surface area that the sun would hit.

vny!://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF_mEoFRSAQ

VG

[Russ]

    Thanks VG!.. Things to look at.

I was looking at these, and figured if they worked for the pool.. I might move them to the house for our hottub (down for only ten years). Maybe also for our house's hotwater heating.

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[van_guy]

 Russ wrote:

Wow you are really serious about this!!  Yeah I looked at the design it looks great.

The only thing that I can add is that in the heat exchange resevoir - I would be tempted to look at the thermal properties of rock or brick.
In the center of the coils is a large area with only water.  I think that rock / brick in this area would add to the ability to store heat for longer - of course it will add more weight (if the resevoir is in the basement no problem).

Let me know if you would like a hand.  My folks installed a heat exchanger (i think it was like $10K) in their house in Bowser but I think the heat source is electric - if I could build the solar water part for them - I think they could virtually eliminate thier heating bill.


    Thanks VG!.. Things to look at. [span style="text-decoration: underline;"]


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[van_guy]

 Russ wrote:
   Thanks VG!.. Things to look at.

I noticed this ...  vny!://www.fieldlines.com/story/2009/7/8/3257/35059

just below the one you were looking at - it's a $300 version of what you are considering.  One of the cost savings is using a 55 gal drum as a resevoir instead of building the 2X resevior - hell even if you use 2 barrels - it would be a LOT cheaper - I know a place out in POCO that either gives old barrels away or sells them for $10.

A 14 year old kid designed and built it !!!

VG  

 

[Russ]

 van_guy wrote:
 Russ wrote:
   Thanks VG!.. Things to look at.

I noticed this ...  vny!://www.fieldlines.com/story/2009/7/8/3257/35059

just below the one you were looking at - it's a $300 version of what you are considering.  One of the cost savings is using a 55 gal drum as a resevoir instead of building the 2X resevior - hell even if you use 2 barrels - it would be a LOT cheaper - I know a place out in POCO that either gives old barrels away or sells them for $10.

A 14 year old kid designed and built it !!!

VG  


LOL! Um, I was just reading the same thing. Yeah? I was trying to figure out where I would get some barrels. I was actually thinking of doing here to try on the pool, then if it works at my parents place on the beach nearby your relatives place.. They use wood heating during the winter and I already bugged them about doing a heat exchanger on the chimney.. maybe I could convince them, lol.
 
 

[van_guy]

Russ,

I will have a drive by the barrell place today and see.

Again I think they are either free or $10 would you like me to pick up a couple for you??

VG

[P.C.]

 [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Van guy wrote:  - I know a place out in POCO that either gives old barrels away or sells them for $10. [/span]


Do you know which days they give them away and which days they are 10 bucks ?    

[van_guy]

P.C. wrote:
Do you know which days they give them away and which days they are 10 bucks ?

I've never paid much attention - never had much use for them.
It's along a road i travel all the time - I remember seeing the sign and thinking that the barrels were either cheap or free.

I'm coming to the island early next week - I'll be taking my new truck so if you want I can pick up a couple for you too!!

VG

[van_guy]

 Barells $10 each

I drove past and got the phone number - 604-464-5451

The barrels have paint residue in them.  

So for you Russ that shouldn't be a problem as you will not be using the water in the barrel for anything other than heat storage.

PC not sure what you had in mind for the barrels - give them a call if you have concerns.

If you can call them this week and you are ok with the residue - let me know I can get upto 6? for you.


VG