What kind of religion says it's okay to kill you for drawing a cartoon? The Muslim religion does. No wonder people think Muslims are f*cking headcases.
Frankly the hardcore christian fundamentalists aren't that much different. Guys like Pat Robertson would put half the country to death as 'unbelievers' if he was allowed to (or if he thought he could get away with it).
Hell he called european thinking hedonistic on his program a couple of nights ago and spouted racist remarks too that I won't go into detail.
Yeah, thats why I stopped going to church quite a few years ago. Just too many people telling me about how I should recognize how Jesus died for us, etc. And some of the stories in the bible are ridiculous. How does some dude go through a desert for 40 days with only 1 loaf of bread and water?! It's just not possible.
My two cents. I just wish ppl live in peace. Sigh... this world is gonna go down the toilet if we don't start learning how to live with one another.
My two cents. I just wish ppl live in peace.
My sentiments exactly. I wish everyone would learn to mind their own business and practice a little tolerance. Or a lot of tolerance, hopefully.
Sigh... this world is gonna go down the toilet if we don't start learning how to live with one another.
I think we may be too late already. Things are in a pretty precarious state right now, and I don't see any good stuff on the horizon, so to speak. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Sad/3.gif) This country is in a dire state and currently headed for the toilet at warp speed.
The problem is the people in charge are blinded by uber-nationalism.[/DIV]Perfect example is the U2 song Love is Blindness.[/DIV]Replace love with America and it says exactly whats going on down here. [TABLE height=300 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="90%" align=center border=0][TBODY][TR][TD class=main vAlign=top align=left width="100%"]
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[H4]Album - Achtung Baby[/H4]
[H4]Lyrics - Love Is Blindness[/H4]
[FONT class=main-text]Love is blindness
I don't want to see
Won't you wrap the night
Around me
Oh my heart
Love is blindness
In a parked car
In a crowded street
You see your love
Made complete
Thread is ripping
The knot is slipping
Love is blindness
Love is clockworks
And cold steel
Fingers too numb to feel
Squeeze the handle
Blow out the candle
Love is blindness
Love is blindness
I don't want to see
Won't you wrap the night
Around me
Oh my love
Blindness
A little death
Without mourning
No call
And no warning
Baby...a dangerous idea
That almost makes sense
Love is drowning
In a deep well
All the secrets
And no one to tell
Take the money
Honey
Blindness
Love is blindness
I don't want to see
Won't you wrap the night
Around me
Oh my love
Blindness[/FONT][/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
Lise.....My two cents. I just wish ppl live in peace. Sigh... this world is gonna go down the toilet if we don't start learning how to live with one another.[/DIV] [/DIV]I second that emotion !!!!!! (sorry Admin....I third that emotion) [A href="vny!://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=vny!://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/bt/images/The%2520World%2520in%2520Hands.jpg&imgrefurl=vny!://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/bt/coi.htm&h=572&w=800&sz=114&tbnid=XRA7MJ9BPcrHqM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=142&hl=en&start=8&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dworld%2Bin%2Bhands%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN"][img height=101 src="vny!://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:XRA7MJ9BPcrHqM:www.acq.osd.mil/ie/bt/images/The%2520World%2520in%2520Hands.jpg" width=142][/A][A href="vny!://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=vny!://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/bt/images/The%2520World%2520in%2520Hands.jpg&imgrefurl=vny!://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/bt/coi.htm&h=572&w=800&sz=114&tbnid=XRA7MJ9BPcrHqM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=142&hl=en&start=8&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dworld%2Bin%2Bhands%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN"][/A]
Understanding others requires thought. It is usually easier to react to people and situations rather than to consider why these things occur. Blindly lashing out doesn't solve problems, it increases them. It would be so nice to see people of all nations sit down and discuss their resemblances as well as their differences. It would surprise a lot of people to see how many similarities there are among them, no matter where they come from.
conflict comes and conflict goes.
nothing substantial has happened to the human species in order to forces us to live and work together on this little rock in space for our survival.too bad it may have to be a negative destructive event. me thinks it will be global warming and fresh water depletion.
Quote from: Yessiree on Feb 11 06 08:07What kind of religion says it's okay to kill you for drawing a cartoon? The Muslim religion does. No wonder people think Muslims are f*cking headcases.
Christians think it's ok to wipe out entire cities, force rape thousands of captive virgins, send bears to kill children for the heinous crime of teasing a bald man........
The Abramic religions are all based on absolutes of "truth". Christianity is about 1400 years older than Islam and has been forced to mellow a bit (a very litle bit) by secular law. What were Christians doing 1400 years ago? Who is insane? As fara as I'm concerned, the sooner fundamentalist absolutism finishes it's long slow decline, the better off we'll all be.
When they came for me, I laughed at them, they lost all composure.
- anonymous
The above quote has nothing to do with the topic. I say this to avoid confusion. I was making a comment to someone else on this thread, but I spent too much time thinking, and I forgot what I was going to say.
Witch, you took the words out of my mouth, although you did a better job of expressing them than I could.
The Old Testament is full of unbelievable horror and darkness brought about by the Christian god of compassion and love. The problem isn't with Muslims, or with Christians, it's with fundamentalists who believe these ancient texts, written in a time when murdering your child for talking back was considered politically correct, can be used as a guide for modern life. I abhor the violent actions of Muslim fundies relating to the cartoons, but I know that other, more moderate followers of Islam watch these actions with the same sense of disgust. Probably even more disgust, actually, since they know well the shame it brings to their own religion.
Its always the extreme's of each religion that ruin the party.[/DIV]Christian fundies in this country[/DIV]Extreme Orthodox Jews- in Isreal[/DIV]Fundimentalist Muslims[/DIV]Moaist Rebels in Nepal- (they are the worst out all these groups by the way, don't go to nepal, its in anarchy)Budist Monks are known to get testyHinduShiks
Every religion has a dark side. Its are responsibility to see thru the dark stuff and see the good in people.
"Budist Monks are known to get testy" Can you expand on this pls? The most extreme example of resistance by buddhist monks in the modern world that springs to mind is self-immolation as protest. I wouldn't put this in the same ballpark as burning embassies and whatnot.
They have had some fare ups in thialand over the years but overall they are the most peaceful. The flare ups are because in thialand they are out numbered by the muslims and sooner or later there is going to be a war over thialand due to the two conflicts of religion and ideaology.
Yessiree wrote:
What kind of religion says it's okay to kill you for drawing a cartoon? The Muslim religion does. No wonder people think Muslims are f*cking headcases.
[SPAN class=headlineblack]From CBS News[/SPAN]
[SPAN class=headlineblack]Nigerian Christians Mob Muslims [/SPAN]
[SPAN class=bodysmall]ONITSHA, Nigeria, Feb. 23, 2006[/SPAN]
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[DIV class=body](AP) Christians in this southern Nigerian city burned Muslim corpses and defaced wrecked mosques Thursday, showing little repentance after days of sectarian violence that has killed more than 120 people across the country.
Onitsha has borne the brunt, with at least 80 of the deaths. The violence followed weekend protests over the publication of cartoons of Muhammad, the Islamic prophet.
"We don't want these mosques here anymore. These people are causing all the problems all over the world because they don't fear God," said 34-year Ifeanyi Ese, standing amid the concrete rubble of an Onitsha mosque.
With a crowd gathered, Ese angrily scrawled "Mohammed is a man, but Jesus is from above" on a shattered mosque wall with a burned stick.
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Ain't religion wonderful! It gives people the moral justification to do anything they want, and leaves their "god" responsible for the ensuing mess.
My prophet can beat up your prophet?[/DIV]f*cks sake, isn't it about time humanity grew out of its adolescence?[/DIV]Do we really need these kind of stone-age fairy tales just to make it through life?Is it necessary to go crazy just to stay sane??
Thanks, Witch, I was going to post the same. It seems like allreligions have their idiots who love the peace of their faith so much,they are willing to kill, kill, kill for it. Also, remember when theLast Temptation of Christ was released? Admittedly, you did not haveworldwide mass protests, but certainly in the states theatres showingthe film were picketed in an effort to stop people from seeing themovie.
It's a sad indictment of, as tenkani above says, the adolesence of our species.
Sportsdude wrote:
Its always the extreme's of each religion that ruin the party.
Christian fundies in this country
Extreme Orthodox Jews- in Isreal
Fundimentalist Muslims
Moaist Rebels in Nepal- (they are the worst out all these groups by the way, don't go to nepal, its in anarchy)
Budist Monks are known to get testy
Hindu
Shiks
Every religion has a dark side. Its are responsibility to see thru the dark stuff and see the good in people.[/DIV]
Quakers are pretty good at seeing through the dark stuff...
Gopher wrote:
Quakers are pretty good at seeing through the dark stuff...[/DIV]
So are agnostics and atheists.
First time I've seen this thread.
Gopher wrote:
Quakers are pretty good at seeing through the dark stuff...
Gopher, you cannot possibly be a Quaker (can you?), or know too many of them. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/2.gif) I've known Quakers who, for all their pacifism, are some of the most intellectually violent people on the planet. I know what you mean, the whole quiet and the inner light thing of course, but people are people. Quakers themselves joke about this, and they have serious family-renting arguments over the spelling and pronunciation of words. (I've heard this crazy story about semantics from three different devout Quakers in different places with no relation to each other.)
Tenkani, check out the work of Yukio Mishima. He'll tell you fairly quick about the flaws of Buddhist monks. The eastern religions are no better than the ones that came out of the Levant. Most monks are monks for a period of time, then they go back to their regular lives. Those regular lives could involve all sorts of debauchery, and then they can go back to being a monk again at any time. Many people are romanced by eastern religions for one reason or another after reading a primer on their belief system. The reality is often much different. Then there's that bit about Gautama not allowing women to become monks for 500 years because it would "delay enlightenment".
To our Wiccan friend, yes, I'm sure they all look alike to you, especially from your perspective of being shunned or persecuted by their followers, but there is a world of difference between Judaism and Christianity on the one hand and Islam on the other. Islam is actually closer in its structural origins to Mormonism (not in doctrine, but in how it came to be a religion from the musings of one individual).
The "truth" is where you find it. Each religion has a version of the "golden rule," and many are derived in great part from those that came before them.
Trollio wrote:
First time I've seen this thread.
Gopher wrote:
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Quakers are pretty good at seeing through the dark stuff...[/SPAN]
Gopher, you cannot possibly be a Quaker (can you?), or know too many of them. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/2.gif) I've known Quakers who, for all their pacifism, are some of the most intellectually violent people on the planet. I know what you mean, the whole quiet and the inner light thing of course, but people are people. Quakers themselves joke about this, and they have serious family-renting arguments over the spelling and pronunciation of words. (I've heard this crazy story about semantics from three different devout Quakers in different places with no relation to each other.)
Trollio, I DO know a lot of Quakers and I'd be the first to agree with you about the matter of semantics: my point was that in matters of comprehensivity re. the matter, and acceptability of the 'inner core' of other religions, they're right on the ball.
Tenkani, check out the work of Yukio Mishima. He'll tell you fairly quick about the flaws of Buddhist monks. The eastern religions are no better than the ones that came out of the Levant. Most monks are monks for a period of time, then they go back to their regular lives. Those regular lives could involve all sorts of debauchery, and then they can go back to being a monk again at any time. Many people are romanced by eastern religions for one reason or another after reading a primer on their belief system. The reality is often much different. Then there's that bit about Gautama not allowing women to become monks for 500 years because it would "delay enlightenment".
To our Wiccan friend, yes, I'm sure they all look alike to you, especially from your perspective of being shunned or persecuted by their followers, but there is a world of difference between Judaism and Christianity on the one hand and Islam on the other. Islam is actually closer in its structural origins to Mormonism (not in doctrine, but in how it came to be a religion from the musings of one individual).
The "truth" is where you find it. Each religion has a version of the "golden rule," and many are derived in great part from those that came before them.
Trollio wrote:
Alas, I am smitten....
Smote?...
Or am I simply smut?
And in doing so, is Gopher proving my point?
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(//vny!://smilys.net/smiley_freaks/uglyhammer.gif)He or she could well have done so!
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LOL. I remember a discussion I had with a Quaker friend about how her father would become seriously physically irate whenever someone said the word "cheeseburger". He insisted that it was a "hamburger with cheese" because the thing itself was not made of cheese.
There were some other examples like this, but you can see why you don't want to be on the wrong side of a Quaker on a debating team. Their point is getting to the heart of why we do and say what we do, and not just accepting it as given. A highly admirable quality, but also a bit dangerous in some parts of Pennsylvania. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/12.gif)