...to be remembered?
Friendly, easy going, a nice person, honest and brave. Hopefully well liked.
With love.
Caring, sweet, forgiving, good mother, loyal
As one who became at peace with himself, familly and loved by them
Oh they're all superb.
Gopher wrote:
Oh they're all superb.
Yours was real good, "with love". How are we suppose to outdo that? lol kidding. No matter who you are there is always someone out there who loves you whether that person realizes it or not.
Thanks heavens, we should always remember that when we have those periods of not loving ourselves.
That always comes to mind when I hear of someone committing suicide.
Gopher wrote:
Thanks heavens, we should always remember that when we have those periods of not loving ourselves.[/DIV]
Thats about all keeping me going forward right now but has more to do with being stressed out
Was just listening to the story on the radio while driving home, about the young boy who killed himself in 2000 (? I think). His mother was on there reading his goodbye note. It was heartbreaking. They were doing a live broadcast from Walnut Grove Secondary for Pink Shirt Day.
I don't know how a parent could bear that.
suicide is so sad............
Suicide is sometimes a forever solution, to a temporary problem. Sometimes it is a permanent problem but no solution. MS is a life time trapped in a body that degenerates around you. ALS. I can some times see why someone options out through suicide. But it is one of the most selfish acts.
I know a person who threatens and has even attempted suicide every time things go bad in her relationships no matter who they are with or how long they lasted. She's in a new relationship couple weeks later so why get that emotional about it? I've tried to convince her that professional help is what is best for her but she doesn't agree. She's an older woman too, 39/40 so you'd think at that age she would be more wise.
Little Fish-- do you have MS? If you'd rather not answer that's ok, I completely understand. I have to visits patients with that disease and the fighting spirit they exude is inspiring.
..and yes this is the same Natasha that's been posting, I'm waiting for my registration email so I have to use a variation of my name until I receive it.
Gopher wrote:
<DIV>...to be remembered?</DIV>
Over a beer with people smiling and laughing at my expense. Not crying or dwelling on the past.
^ I agree Russ
a wake, a chance for friends and family to party, to remember the good times, to talk about the bad and the ugly to love each other and celebrate the life they have. I want people to have a good time, to have fun, to laugh, I do not want any one to cry at my passing.
It is a time to grieve but not at the experience of life I lived it to the full for the nonce and will till the spark of life goes out. Take time to remember and think of the good, laugh at the things that were funny.. and weep not, for we shall see each other again, in another time & another place.. This new mystery of the greatest fear of the greatest unknown.
It is a new beginning, on forward into the unknown, a time to travel, with no more fears, a freedom from pain, a chance to live once again.. Or onwards to heven or hell purgatory or rebirth.. I don't know what it is that comes after this life but I can only think it is going to be one hell of an adventure along the way..
Orik wrote:
^ I agree Russ
a wake, a chance for friends and family to party, to remember the good times,
That's easier to do when the person has lived a long full life. When the deceased is a younger individual it's hard to avoid that feeling of a young life cheated.
Aye Natasha that is true, it is the rare occasion when a young person has lived a full life. but what is classified as young. Once upon a time, the average life expectancy was 33 to 38 years old. and now the average life expectancy is 70 years of age.
though ones average life expectancy can increase or decrease to this mitigating situations / circumstances such as where you live on the planet, what your heritage / ethnicity is. whether you are obese or not, & if you are male or female.
The average life exspectancy of a first nations male in the down town east side is 54 years of age and 58 for a caucasion male. and for West Vancouver (north shore side) the same life expectancy is 68 and 74 years of age respectively.
these may not be the exact ages I am going on memory from a TV show I watched 3 or 4 years ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy on the full details of that program. I think the ages are more or less correct with in 2 to 5 years of what the tv show was stating.
I wish I could find a link to that Special it was a tv special on global I remember that much =( but who did it, for the life of me has left my fuzzy brain pan for the depths of the abys, I blame learning about the snailfish for making me forget =D
Natasha wrote:
Orik wrote:
^ I agree Russ
a wake, a chance for friends and family to party, to remember the good times,
That's easier to do when the person has lived a long full life. When the deceased is a younger individual it's hard to avoid that feeling of a young life cheated.
I agree
Orik wrote:
Aye Natasha that is true, it is the rare occasion when a young person has lived a full life. but what is classified as young. Once upon a time, the average life expectancy was 33 to 38 years old. and now the average life expectancy is 70 years of age.
I think everyone has an idea of what is young (numerically speaking). Who is going to look at someone in their 90's and say "bless his heart, he died young"? When I say young, I mean young. Babies, toddlers and children. They are young no matter how much the average life expectancy changes.
What age do you place a cap the young at then... I consider any one under 20 as young.
Death is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a freedom....
25 and down
and what age do you allow a person to commit suicide it is there choice and they wish to go throw euthanasia at what age do you allow some one to make that decision...
in this case and situation the death is painful it will be a very long time of suffering as they slowly slip away from the reality of this world there body rots around them... at some point they will be unable to do it for themselves but they want it done.. what age do you allow someone to say I have had enough & I want to go home they want to be free from the pain they are in.
Orik wrote:
and what age do you allow a person to commit suicide it is there choice and they wish to go throw euthanasia at what age do you allow some one to make that decision...
in this case and situation the death is painful it will be a very long time of suffering as they slowly slip away from the reality of this world there body rots around them... at some point they will be unable to do it for themselves but they want it done.. what age do you allow someone to say I have had enough & I want to go home they want to be free from the pain they are in.
Allow? I'd never "allow" a person to commit suicide. Why would anyone allow another human being to do that? What type of person would seriously think a suicidal individual is capable of making proper decisions? Sometimes a body just needs to be taken care of regardless of age. If a person really loves you (not neceassarily a spouse either) that person will make decisions for you based on what they're more coherant mind feels is best. They will do some type of intervention. They will allow your burdens to be their own and help you through them all. It's inhumane to allow someone to end their own life.
As for your example- with modern medical field being what it is now, most people don't suffer in pain. There are medicines, places and even jobs devoted solely to making ones suffering and last days minimal. "at some point they will be unable to do it for themselves but they want it done.." well if they are unable to do it for themselves but want it done then they aren't commiting suicide are they? They're asking you to murder them... totally different.
I disagree. but that is neither here nor there. euthanasia is not murder. and suicide is a personal option, true it is selfish but I can understand the reason behind it. Some people do not want to live on machines or spend their remaining time in a hospital slipping away Natasha...
I understand that Orik. And that is why a person can in advance sign legal forms stating what to do in such cases so that major decisions that would burden ones soul aren't places upon another person. At some point in time as an adult everyone should get these types of things in order.
Give me a beer and a fishing rod and send me out to sea...........
DDD wrote:
<DIV>Give me a beer and a fishing rod and send me out to sea...........</DIV>
I agree! <bless> Great idea there
Um on the fishing part not on sending you out to sea.
well if i am going to die ........ out to sea with my fishing rod in hand ...........cooler full of beer........."I" phone so I can look at porn...hey i am not dead yet.......LOL........and a nice fat one.
DDD wrote:
well if i am going to die ........ out to sea with my fishing rod in hand ...........cooler full of beer........."I" phone so I can look at porn...hey i am not dead yet.......LOL........and a nice fat one.
So you'd rather leave this world watching people have sex instead of actually doing it? ;)
LOL........you so bad............if i could still have sex then OK sex it is
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^ even if a person does things worth writing in time interest is lost. The attention span of society with each passing year decreases. Respect for others decreases. Passion for our past decreases. The only ones who will truely keep you alive in death are those who truely loved you.
How would you like your steak?
My uncle committed suicide. He had MS and was confined to a wheelchair. He attempted suicide a couple times and his daughter found him and saved him once... understandably. But he was eventually "successful". Can't say I really blame him.
DDD wrote:
How would you like your steak?
My steak?
I like it well done. lol I don't mean that in a pervy way but with you I just don't know what you mean sometimes.
med - rare.....................I like my sex well done
I like it rare.
How would you like to go water skiing
That's on my to-do list this summer.
Itsy Bitsy wrote:
That's on my to-do list this summer.[/DIV]
cool.....................i know just the place
Your place?
Itsy Bitsy wrote:
Your place? [/DIV]
Well I did take one person from DV (BC Marie) up there a few years back..........
and no one has seen her since...
Hey I preach this all the time to people, go spend some time with your elders and the kids in the family if possible, even a phone call once a week mean so much.
Your time is more valuable than gold to them.
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Nice thoughts Neener. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/14.gif)
From the heart and I believe it. :) You should see some of the people I visit on occasion and my little Nephew, you can see the gleam in their eyes.
Funny thing about a lot of old people, all you have to do is sit and listen. They will tell you a lot of history sometimes, and likely the same story a few times, lol Really it's worth it for both of you in the end.
You're so right Neener. One of the biggest problems, is that often we learn that just after it's too late.
P.C. wrote:
You're so right Neener. One of the biggest problems, is that often we learn that just after it's too late.
SO TRUE
P.C. wrote:
You're so right Neener. One of the biggest problems, is that often we learn that just after it's too late.
True and some never learn it at all. Society just doesn't respect their elders like they once did.
you all must be OLD [img border=0 src="vny!://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/12.gif"]
I like hearing elders tell stories about their life. They come from a much more interesting time imo and have had amazing experiences. The only problem is, if you're around the same elders often enough, they tell you the same stories over and over and over. That I can't stand.
You'd never get tired of listening to mine.
Itsy Bitsy wrote:
I like hearing elders tell stories about their life. They come from a much more interesting time imo and have had amazing experiences. The only problem is, if you're around the same elders often enough, they tell you the same stories over and over and over. That I can't stand.[/DIV]
lol.. neither can I but I try to keep in mind that they're old and are probably a little mental.
Gopher wrote:
You'd never get tired of listening to mine.[/DIV]
We're ready to read whenever you're ready to type.
Are you an elder, gopher?
I'd ask for a clear definition of elder before I answered if I were you. You might be able to fudge a full decade if you play your hand right. I remember when I was 20, I thought 35 was elder. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/4.gif)
To me an elder is someone in their 80's. Actually, I my mind says "Gosh, they're friggen old". So I guess elder (imo) would be 60-70's. It's hard to tell really these days. People live longer and are more active.
Yeah some 60 year olds seem so young to me, whereas some seem freaking ancient. 80+ would certainly qualify as elder, but 60-80 would probably depend on the person.
In that case, I'm an older rather than an elder.
^ a young at heart one too it seems. Most 60+ year olds I know don't quite get how to use internet forums. :p :)
^ very true. Even some younger (numerically speaking/typing) than that. The fact that Gopher seems to be so computer savvy has me wondering what else does he do online? [img border=0 src="vny!://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/8.gif"]
Very little.
Gopher wrote:
Very little.[/DIV]
LOL..................How true for most
But only a few are brave enough to admit it!