"For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti
overtaken in us? sounds like it was a war or something. lol
When considering all Christians and not just Catholics, Christians make up 33 per cent of the world population, Formenti said.
Since when did the Roman Catholic Church consider everyone else "Christians"? I went to a catholic school it was always "so you're a different religion then us". lol
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I've never really considered Christianity a religion. I always have thought of it as a 'belief' that many religions practise. No ?
P.C. wrote:
I've never really considered Christianity a religion. I always have thought of it as a 'belief' that many religions practise. No ?
P.C. you said you grew up catholic right? I've only encountered this with catholic schools, somewhere along the line they're teaching kids that to be catholic is the only christian and that if you are protestant or something else you practice a different religion. That's flawed catholic church doesn't want to see itself as "equal" with the protestants. They believe they have the moral superiority. Not until recently catholics preached that if you weren't catholic you were going to hell. That's where that comes from. Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity just like lutheran, baptist, reform, etc.
technically what makes the world go around is myth.
to have beliefs is to believe in myth. Even people who don't believe are believers in the myth that it doesn't exist. lol
myth is a human creation to explain the unexplainable differences between us an nature. Myth is created to reflect us.
I was brought up Catholic too. I can't even begin to describe how happy I am no longer part of that nightmare!
So many bad experiences. It would take a whole other forum, not just another thread to discuss.
Yes SD, I was raised Catholic. But in spite of their many MANY flaws, I was never taught that to be Catholic is the only Christian. I DO think that being Protestant or something else is a different religion. Is it not ? They may have the same faith, but it is a different religion. I also never found any sense of moral superiority. That may be some people's personal attitudes or beliefs, but it was not taught.
I hear ya Van. I think we could all write volumes of the experience. Their teachings seem to be deeply rooted in fear and guilt. The fear goes away, but guilt gets ingrained. As for the rest of it....mass was all done in Latin then, so who knows what they were teaching me.
All I remember is that monotone Gregorian sounding chant.....My Faaatha beat your Faaatha at Dominoes. And there was another one about biscuits.
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religion means to worship another diety. They still pray to the same God. Technically so do Muslims and Jews. which makes for one f-d up family. Spoiled children, can't figure out that they're praying to the same God in their religious text so they bitch at each other with guns and bombs.
you don't see the buddhists, hindu's, taoists, confucious folks bicker at each other when they're mutually the same. (everything is an off shoot of hinduism) just like (everything is an off shoot of judaism)
there's the simple answer to the worlds major religions.
lol
Sportsdude wrote:
religion means to worship another diety. [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]They[/span] still pray to the same God. Technically so do [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Muslims[/span] and which makes for one f-d up family. Spoiled children, can't figure out that [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Jews.they're[/span] praying to the same God in their religious text so [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]they[/span] bitch at each other with guns and bombs.
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SD- you might want to be careful with those generalizations.
[h1]Hasty Generalization[/h1] [p class="smaller"]
Description[/p] X is true of A, B and C. Therefore X is true of everything.[/p] Find a commonality in a few things and then generalize to assume that it is also true for all things in the same class.[/p] [h2][a name="exa"][/a]Example[/h2] [p class="quote"]I met some children from Garton yesterday, who were very polite. I think all children from that area must be well-behaved.[/p] [p class="quote"]I've met three race drivers today and they all were rather aggressive. Clearly, race drivers are all be aggressive.[/p] [p class="quote"]I've tried two Albanian cheeses and they were both rather bitter. Albanian cheese is not really to my taste.[/p] [h2][a name="dis"][/a]Discussion[/h2] We all seek to classify things we experience in order to help make decisions about similar items we meet in future. This generalization is a form of simplification and always results in some distortion. [/p] If we generalize too soon, we may classify things incorrectly. This is partly due to a lack of real understanding of statistics, where a representative sample needs to be taken before realistic rules can be inferred.[/p] [h3]Classification[/h3] [a href="vny!://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/a_assumptive.htm"] Assumptive[/a], [a href="vny!://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/a_inductive.htm"]Inductive[/a][/p] [h3]Also known as[/h3] Converse Accident, Inductive Generalization, Statistical Generalization, Insufficient Statistics, Insufficient Sample, Lonely Fact, Leaping to Conclusion, Hasty Induction
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if you are in the business of converting people into athiesm the act itself is being like a religion. You have to give out your information about how you see the world to non athiests and try to make them come to your side. Either you convince or people have falling out and turn to you for guidance. That sounds like a religion to me in how they convert people.
Then on the science, you still have to believe in the science. Even though it maybe correct, people aren't going to follow it all the time. For example people now are not letting their kids get measles, mumps, rbhula shots when they're kids are born. Some goof with science backing him said "its all a sham" etc. So these parents become cynics to everything and don't trust science. Science is considered evil to some. Science in a lot of the world is seen as the new religion, always has been always will be. You believe in Science or you believe in a religion. You're still believing in something one through science the other through a book of stories
Lil Me wrote:
Sportsdude wrote:
religion means to worship another diety. [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]They[/span] still pray to the same God. Technically so do [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Muslims[/span] and which makes for one f-d up family. Spoiled children, can't figure out that [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Jews.they're[/span] praying to the same God in their religious text so [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]they[/span] bitch at each other with guns and bombs.
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SD- you might want to be careful with those generalizations.
Christians, Muslims, Jews. All come from the same house of Abraham. Jesus is mentioned more in the Koran then Mohammed. Jesus is more important then Mohammed in many respects. Jesus will come back to Earth in Islam as he does in Christianity . Moses is a prophet in islam. The three religions are connected. All Three religions say they are descendants of Adam. Religions are more alike then they are different.
Sportsdude wrote:
religion means to worship another diety. [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]They[/span] still pray to the same God. Technically so do [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Muslims[/span] and which makes for one f-d up family. Spoiled children, can't figure out that [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]Jews.they're[/span] praying to the same God in their religious text so [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]they[/span] bitch at each other with guns and bombs.
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SD, I fully agree that Christianity/Judaism/Islam share the same history and culture. That was not my issue.
[span style="text-decoration: underline;"]I'm neither Jewish nor Muslim, and I'm offended by your comments[/span]. It's culturally insensitive to refer to a religious group as they, especially if you are discussing a negative behaviour ([span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]they[/span] bitch at each other with guns and bombs).
Furthermore, your condemnation of Jews and Muslims is alarming (which makes for one f-d up family. Spoiled children, can't figure out...)
if you are in the business of converting people into athiesm the act itself is being like a religion. You have to give out your information about how you see the world to non athiests and try to make them come to your side. Either you convince or people have falling out and turn to you for guidance. That sounds like a religion to me in how they convert people.
I don't know of athiests actively trying to 'convert' people....what 'business' is that ? On a personal level, I don't care what 'side' someone is on. Religion works for some....it just doesn't happen to work for me....at least not in the traditional sense.
Okay, enough about religious groups.
Shall we pick on racial groups next?
Okay, enough about religious groups.
Shall we pick on racial groups next?
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when i said they i meant everyone including myself. I'm sick and tired of people hating each other when we come from the same religious family.I'm fed up don't give a shit if i offend anyone because 2,000 years of blood shed millions probably killed is f*cking ridiculous and doesn't deserve respect of being defended, the wars and hatred on all sides is offending enough. Then the other religions that come from the same base don't have this hatred for each other like we (christianity, judiasm, islam) have for each other. We should all be offended at how idiotic we act. its an embarrassment to human history.
wow. this thread got in depth since I read last.
I am going to sneak out to another thread now..
when i said they i meant everyone including myself. I'm sick and tired of people hating each other when we come from the same religious family.I'm fed up don't give a shit if i offend anyone because 2,000 years of blood shed millions probably killed is f*cking ridiculous. Then the other religions that come from the same base don't have this hatred for each other. We should all be offended at how idiotic we act. its an embarrassment to human history.
SD...I think what Lil Me ever so eloquently pointed out, is that you make yourself a part of that by the comments you make. I will exclude myself from one of the idiotic masses, because I have no problem with who practises what religion.
I think sometimes you have a point....it just gets lost (and severely twisted) in your generalizations.
i don't have a problem with religions, I like multi-faiths communities, I've got to temples before, but that's just me venting with a head cold and flu like symptoms. ehh
i want peace. I want the walls to come down, the jihads to stop, the occupations to end, and the anti-muslim feelings in the christian world or christian countries i.e (people aren't going to vote for Obama because of his muslim heritage) to stop. This whole thing is ridiculous and in the inter-faith community between the three that we have (at least were I grew up) we are better united then divided. We shouldn't be fighting over land claims and pre-destination. We've let the crazies on all sides speak for us and it's sad that we've become, the direction we have decided to take.
i want peace. I want the walls to come down, the jihads to stop, the occupations to end, and the anti-muslim feelings in the christian world or christian countries i.e (people aren't going to vote for Obama because of his muslim heritage) to stop. This whole thing is ridiculous and in the inter-faith community between the three that we have (at least were I grew up) we are better united then divided. We shouldn't be fighting over land claims and pre-destination. We've let the crazies on all sides speak for us and it's sad that we've become, the direction we have decided to take.
We all want peace SD. I sometimes get frustrated to tears over the killing...all for the intolerance of each others faiths. But you can't sum it up with generalizations, or one faith over another. Please tell me you get that.
oh i know its a bad habit when i get mad at something that bugs me.
This thread really confuses me.
Could I just be Vanna White in the background?
Religion isn't the problem. It's the people.
I always think that most of the world's problems are not so much caused religion as they are by cultural arrogance.
Arrogance and Ignorance.
Yes, that's right on, Purelife.