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Title: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Hobbit on Jul 25 07 02:14
I read the [A href="vny!://www.virtualvancouver.com/news/news-38.html"]daily news[/A] about the Burnaby oil spill.   Anyone affected by the oil spill? Will home insurance cover the costs of the clean-up? What about the people responsible, shouldn't they have to pay for cleanup?
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lil Me on Jul 25 07 02:18
 Hobbit wrote:
I read the [a  href="vny!://www.virtualvancouver.com/news/news-38.html"]daily news[/a] about the Burnaby oil spill.   Anyone affected by the oil spill?
 --
 Just indirectly.  Traffic has been brutal in the tri-cities.
 
 
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lise on Jul 25 07 03:53
Who's responsible for the spillage?

  On the side note, look what my spam-bot came up with..... snicker, snicker.....

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Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Russ on Jul 25 07 07:53
Theyre trying to figure out who's responsible.. Kinder Morgan says they told the city exactly where their pipe was, and its the contractors fault. who knows though.. something like this happened to Kinder Morgan before in California with one of their pipelines.

  From what I have understood is that the contractor is paying for the cost of the whole cleanup, and the city is launching to see who's responsible, who will ultimatley foot the bill. As far as I understand the homeowner will not have to pay a penny for cleanup under their insurance, why should they? the contractor hit the pipe digging doing what teh city told them to.
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lil Me on Jul 25 07 08:34
 I'd assume the homeowner makes a claim to their insurance company, which in turn will go after the contractor's insurer.
 
 I heard tonight that the pipe on the blueprints was shown 7.5m away from the actual pipe.  Oooops.
 
 Mr LM used to be a contractor- his guys drilled into a water pipe at CCRA in Surrey.  Plans didn't show a pipe in that location.  Crap happens.  That's why contrators carry liability insurance...
   
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Devil on Jul 26 07 08:06
That is so brutal though?

I am curious, how long has that pipe been there? I would bet the City had the oil line on their provided maps.

I seen this happen on a construction site in the Kootenays too, fortunately, it was a water line and not oil.
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: P.C. on Jul 26 07 09:04
Although I feel badly for the people and their lovely homes....they will have the means to clean things up and carry on.  It's all the wildlife that will be affected that makes me so sad.
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Devil on Jul 26 07 09:26
Or that family that was just about to move in! Looked like a kick ass house on the news too.  

  But yes, the environmental damage there makes me pissed!
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: 49er on Jul 26 07 12:47
we have Underground Service Alert (USA), a free one call service before you dig.  Contractor or property owner marks out the boundary of the excavation and utility companies will come out within two working days of the call and locate their underground utility lines.  

  However, shit happens as was the case of Kinder Morgan pipeline explosion which killed two workers in the Bay Area.  If I remember correctly, Kinder Morgan incorrectly located their fuel line.
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lil Me on Jul 26 07 01:20
We have "Call before you dig" here as well.  Pfffft.  The gas utility forgot to do that once.  They excavated my phone line.  
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lise on Jul 26 07 03:57
But these guys are professionals, right? I mean, how can you MISS this huge pipeline?? Don't they have some kinda of sonar or metal detector thingee that detects these sorta things?
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Devil on Jul 27 07 06:49
I agree Lise, there is no excuse. If the pipe has been there for years, or 2 days, there is no excuse!
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Sportsdude on Jul 28 07 04:29
[h1 class="title"][a href="vny!://www.straight.com/article-102990/pipeline-required-inspector"]                           Pipeline required inspector[/a][/h1]
The company that owns a ruptured pipeline in North Burnaby, Kinder Morgan Canada Inc., was required to have an inspector on-site during construction. On July 24, a crew with B. Cusano Contracting Inc. punctured the pipeline beneath Inlet Drive near the corner of Barnet Highway and East Hastings Street, spewing crude oil 30 metres in the air for approximately 25 minutes, according to news reports.[/p]    Federal regulations set a 30-metre safety zone around pipelines; within that area, any construction needs prior approval from the pipeline operator, according to a statement on the Kinder Morgan Canada Web site ([a href="vny!://www.tmxproject.com/" title="www.tmxproject.com/"]www.tmxproject.com/[/a]).[/p]    Kinder Morgan Canada, a subsidiary of Texas-based pipeline giant Kinder Morgan, cited guidelines published by the pipeline's previous owner, Terasen Inc., which it took over in 2005. The guidelines specify that an inspector "locates Pipeline(s) and inspects during Construction Activities in accordance with NEB [National Energy Board] Pipeline Crossing Regulations. Prior to any Construction within Terasen's Right-of-Way or Excavation within the 30m Safety Zone, a Terasen Inspector is to be on-site and all construction is to be carried out in accordance with the Inspector's direction and all applicable conditions and legislation."[/p][a href="vny!://www.straight.com/article-102990/pipeline-required-inspector"]vny!://www.straight.com/article-102990/pipeline-required-inspector[/a]

hmmm I smell giant lawsuit coming.


 
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lil Me on Jul 30 07 09:47
Got my feet covered in muddy oil slick on the North Shore of Port Moody today.  Put the running shoes through the washing machine and everything is ok.  
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Sportsdude on Jul 30 07 10:19
oh noes hope the shoes weren't white.

 
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: 49er on Jul 30 07 10:26
Lil Me wrote:
Got my feet covered in muddy oil slick on the North Shore of Port Moody today.  Put the running shoes through the washing machine and everything is ok.  
    You washed hazardous waste down the drain!  Thats a crime..
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lil Me on Jul 30 07 10:34
Ha.  What was I supposed to do?  Wipe my feet on a duck?  
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Sportsdude on Jul 30 07 10:37
I guess dispose the shoes at a hazardous waste facility.  
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Hobbit on Aug 01 07 04:47
Lil Me wrote:
Got my feet covered in muddy oil slick on the North Shore of Port Moody today.  Put the running shoes through the washing machine and everything is ok.  

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 Maybe you can run faster with those slick shoes. :)


 
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Lil Me on Aug 01 07 08:59
"slick shoes" reminds me of the kid with the inventions in The Goonies.
 
 Saw the cleanup crew today while taking the Westcoast Express downtown this morning.  This cleanup project looks pretty huge.
   
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Hobbit on Aug 03 07 03:50
Lil Me wrote:
"slick shoes" reminds me of the kid with the inventions in The Goonies.


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 Ah, the Goonies... one of my favorite movies of all time. Guess you looked like the oil slick kid on the movie, only there weren't any bad guys chasing you.   I imagine there'd only be slick men chasing you. :)


 
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: P.C. on Aug 03 07 04:21
I had a little pang of nostalgia when you mentioned the Goonies too Lil Me.  I loved that movie.

  There was another pre-teenish kind of movie around about that time that I liked too, but be darned if I can think of the name.  Bunch of kids working around a race track (???)  One of the kids sings this song called Rocky Top.  Had never heard it before, and never heard it since.....but for some goofy reason, it stuck with me.  [img style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick=url(this.src); src="vny!://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/liebe/g038.gif" border=0]
Title: Re: Burnaby oil spill
Post by: Sportsdude on Aug 03 07 05:04
never heard of 'Rocky Top' P.C.? That's the official fight song for the University of Tennessee.
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