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Poll
Question: Without googling, which of the following game do you think the computer has not been able to beat its human counterpart?
Option 1: Chess votes: 1
Option 2: Draughts votes: 0
Option 3: Go votes: 1
Option 4: Othello votes: 1
Option 5: Backgammon votes: 1
Option 6: Scrabble votes: 1
Option 7: Risk votes: 1
Option 8: Cluedo votes: 1
Option 9: Tic Tac Toe votes: 0
Title: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Lise on Feb 01 07 07:13
Without googling, which of the following game do you think the computer has not been able to beat its human opponent(s)?(//vny!://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/8.gif)

  Take a gander and answer the poll. I'll provide the answer tomorrow evening.
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Post by: kingy on Feb 01 07 08:56
my vote is for cluedo. not exactly sure what that is but im thinking it is like clue.
Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Russ on Feb 01 07 08:57
Chess
Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Moolah! on Feb 01 07 09:02
I don't know all of those games, so can't tell for sure.



Doesn't this whole exercise also depend on the computer itself as well as the skill of the human opponent?



At one point I was able to beat quite a few chess programs... but I also know that I don't stand a chance against a well written program.



Who was it, I think Kasparov was able to beat one of the best chess programs... but then, he's Kasparov.



I heard it was a close call though.





   
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Post by: Russ on Feb 01 07 09:07
This is what I was talking about.. I heard that too Raging Poodle, the chess champion beat the computer.
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Post by: kingy on Feb 01 07 09:48
i thought they 'rebuilt' big blue and it actually beat him in a rematch?
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Post by: Sportsdude on Feb 01 07 10:20
Othello is a game? Thats a Shakespeare play?  
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Post by: Lise on Feb 02 07 11:22
Take the poll! Take the poll!!! I'll give you the answer tonight.
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Post by: Lise on Feb 02 07 08:29
Pooh. Nobody answered the poll. Oh well. The answer lies is............

    [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fdeee0" color=#fdeee0 size=6]GO[/FONT]  
Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Sportsdude on Feb 02 07 08:42
Go? Thats a game?  
Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Lise on Feb 02 07 08:45
Yep and teh great Confucious said it was a waste of time.(//vny!://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/figuren/c020.gif)

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   Go is a strategic [A title="Board game" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_game"]board game[/A] for two players. Also known as Weiqi in [A title="Chinese language" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language"]Chinese[/A] (Traditional Chinese: 圍棋,Simplified Chinese: 围棋), Igo in [A title="Japanese language" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language"]Japanese[/A] ([A title=Kanji href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji"]Kanji[/A]: 囲碁), Cờ Vây in [A title="Vietnamese language" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_language"]Vietnamese[/A] ([A title="Chữ Hán Việt" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_H%C3%A1n_Vi%E1%BB%87t"]Chữ Hán Việt[/A]:圍棋), and Baduk in [A title="Korean language" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language"]Korean[/A] ([A title=Hangul href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul"]Hangul[/A]:바둑), Go originated in ancient [A title=China href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China"]China[/A], likely centuries before its first reference [A title=Circa href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circa"]c.[/A] 548 BC. It is now popular throughout the world, especially in [A title="East Asia" href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia"]East Asia[/A].

 Go is played by two players alternately placing black and white stones on the vacant intersections of a 19×19 [A title=Rectilinear href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectilinear"]rectilinear[/A] grid. A stone or a group of stones is captured and removed if it is tightly surrounded by stones of the opposing color. The objective is to control a larger territory than the opponent by tactically placing one's stones so they cannot be captured. The game ends and the score is counted when both players consecutively pass on a turn, indicating that neither side can increase its territory or reduce its opponent's; the game can also end by resignation.

 [A href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game"]vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game[/A])

Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Lise on Feb 02 07 08:52
Here's the article about Go and computer.

   [H1]Computers just can't seem to get past Go[/H1]

[FONT face=arial,helvetica,sans-serif size=3]Chess is a doddle compared to this ancient oriental game of strategy that has programmers and scientists scratching their heads, writes Charles Arthur[/FONT]

[FONT face=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif size=2]Thursday August 3, 2006
[A href="vny!://www.guardian.co.uk/"][FONT color=#436a90]The Guardian[/FONT][/A]


[/FONT] [DIV id=GuardianArticleBody]When Garry Kasparov was beaten, to his furious humiliation, by IBM's Deep Blue chess computer in 1997, it left human players pondering their future. Draughts, Othello, backgammon, Scrabble: by the start of this century, each had been all but conquered by machines.  But don't worry. Almost a decade later, with Moore's Law still at work, there is still a board game in which humans reign supreme. The game is Go, an oriental game of strategy. It sounds superficially easy. The board is a 19 by 19 grid of intersecting lines. The pieces (called "stones") are black or white, and identical. Once placed on the board, they do not move (unless surrounded and captured) or change colour. The object is to use one's stones to surround as many blank intersections (called "territory") as possible. And that's about it.

 

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Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: Sportsdude on Feb 02 07 08:56
woah cool lise  
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Post by: Marik on Feb 02 07 09:15
In Japan, they always have these old dudes playing Go in the morning / afternoon on TV (Japanese TV is boring until 6:00 PM).  
Title: Re: You can't beat me, computer!!
Post by: kingy on Feb 02 07 09:16
i used to play that game. i have no idea if i was playing it right tho.