A 25-old young Australian of Vietnamese descent was discovered in Singapore with 400 grams heroin strapped to his body which he was trying to smuggle to Australia.
He claimed he did this to pay off the huge debts of his twin brother, for whom he had taken responsibility.
He spent 15 months in a jail where inmates are shackled upto 22 hours a day, on a poor diet and lacking elementary medical attention.
A petition was started on the internet to make people aware of his situation and to get his sentence - death by hanging - to be commuted to a lesser one.
Take a look at vny!://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/aussieman
In the end he was executed anyway.
What's your opinion ?
Do you think he deserved to be killed for what he did ? Or should the court have been lenient and granted him a second chance ?
JGG (formerly known as Jolly Green Giant and Mutilated Mind, having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
he knew the penalty beforehand and still decided to do it.
kingy wrote:
he knew the penalty beforehand and still decided to do it.
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So he did. Seems he decided to take the risk, didn't he ?
Is this your sole and only consideration ?
Don't you think a death sentence might be too harsh all the same, even if he "still decided to do it" ? There might be other issues involved than just someone having taken his chances and having to accept the consequenes or something like that...
JGG (formerly known as Jolly Green Giant and Mutilated Mind, both having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
no, but you deserve to be executed.
When I went to singapore, on the declaration you are given on the plane it says that its a death sentence for drug trafficing.
As soon as you enter the airport theres HUGE writing on a white background wall saying if you are caught smuggling drugs you will be put to death.
It TELLS you everywhere, and they are very open about it. He knew the penalty and yet he still did it.
Russ yes! wrote:
He knew the penalty and yet he still did it.
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You already said that. Yes, he did it. He took the risk. Does THAT merit the death sentence ?
Or does smuggling those 400 grams of heroin ?
Tell me.
He
(formerly known as JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
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Russ yes! wrote:
He knew the penalty and yet he still did it.
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You already said that. Yes, he did it. He took the risk. Does THAT merit the death sentence ?
What difference does it make what anyone else thinks about it.....the simple fact of the matter is, that the guy who DID it, thought that the risk was worth taking.
He
(formerly known as JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen).
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A hearty welcome back to the angst-ridden, smarmy little self-important twit with an ever-growing trail of goofy names clattering behind him like tin cans on a luckless dog's tail.
The stunted, trollish fellow with his nose out of joint.
Master of the fancied slight.
Inveterate purveyor of pretentious prose. behold! it is He!
Watching him bomb is more fun than swatting flies.
Use him: he is here for your enjoyment.
Do I think he should be executed? I think all drugs should be legalized, so of course not. That being said, doing that kind of nonsense in Singapore is utterly stupid.
"Disneyland with the death sentence" is how it was described once. Complaining about justice in Singapore is like complaining about too many Mormons in Utah.
Remember that American a decade-or-so ago who got a caning for graffitti? (and not the fun knid of caning either-I bet he didn't have a safe word)
Why oh why am I such a loser ?
He
(formerly known as JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, fairly used by someone with a higher IQ than me)
Um, hey MM, I dont know if you bothered to notice but my reply by russ yes, was the first time and not the second. You are confusing me with somebody else that posted the same thing.
And, yes I think he should. Seriously. He knew the penalty doing that in Singapore, and he did it.
P.C. wrote:
Russ yes! wrote:
He knew the penalty and yet he still did it.
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You already said that. Yes, he did it. He took the risk. Does THAT merit the death sentence ?
What difference does it make what anyone else thinks about it.....
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The replies I get here sometimes should be preserved for eternity...
Do you realize you are ON A PUBLIC FORUM where people come to discuss ?
And pleasse try to reread again what I wrote... it might help. But I am repeating myself, no ?
Him (formerly known as He, JGG, Jolly Green Giant and Mutilated Mind, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
Russ wrote:
Um, hey MM, I dont know if you bothered to notice but my reply by russ yes, was the first time and not the second. You are confusing me with somebody else that posted the same thing.
And, yes I think he should. Seriously. He knew the penalty doing that in Singapore, and he did it.
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Yes, I noticed; sorry for confusing.
But nobody, not excluding yourself, actually READ the question : WHY should he have been put to death : because he took the risk, or because he smuggled 400 grams of heroin ?
Does either one of both, in your opinion, merit the death sentence ?
It's time some of you actually tried to think about what I am saying.
Him
(formerly known as He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
He...hehehehe wrote:
He
(formerly known as JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
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A hearty welcome back to the angst-ridden, smarmy little self-important twit with an ever-growing trail of goofy names clattering behind him like tin cans on a luckless dog's tail.
The stunted, trollish fellow with his nose out of joint.
Master of the fancied slight.
Inveterate purveyor of pretentious prose. behold! it is He!
Watching him bomb is more fun than swatting flies.
Use him: he is here for your enjoyment.
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I am not stinted nor trollish, and my nose is not out of joint.
I think especially your last two comments illustrate well the minds of those people who believe they are the elite of the next civilization....
Him (formerly known as He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant, all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
Please don't paste half my quote to better criticise the other half. You continue to be deluded that you're the only one that understands what they are reading.
I personally do not believe in the death sentence (which is neither here nor there in answering your question). The other half of my quote states, whether the penalty is right or wrong, the guy that chose to ignore the possiblity of the consequences of his actions apparently decided his drugs were worth the risk.
If I were to go to another country, that clearly states that singing in this country is punishable by death, you can bet your butt, I wouldn't sing. How much simpler does it need to get?????
Future Canadian wrote:
Do I think he should be executed? I think all drugs should be legalized, so of course not. That being said, doing that kind of nonsense in Singapore is utterly stupid.
"Disneyland with the death sentence" is how it was described once. Complaining about justice in Singapore is like complaining about too many Mormons in Utah.
Remember that American a decade-or-so ago who got a caning for graffitti? (and not the fun knid of caning either-I bet he didn't have a safe word)
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It' easy to say "that's stupid" from behind your computer and the comfort of your home.
This guy took a calculated risk because it was the only way, in his view, to be able to quickly pay off his brother's debts. He didn't see a better way.
Some take a calculated risk and are lucky, and are admired for it ; others are not so lucky and are called stupid and have deserved their death sentence... don't you realize how callous that is ?
Him (formerly known as He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant... all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
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Please don't paste half my quote to better criticise the other half. You continue to be deluded that you're the only one that understands what they are reading.
I personally do not believe in the death sentence (which is neither here nor there in answering your question). The other half of my quote states, whether the penalty is right or wrong, the guy that chose to ignore the possiblity of the consequences of his actions apparently decided his drugs were worth the risk.
If I were to go to another country, that clearly states that singing in this country is punishable by death, you can bet your butt, I wouldn't sing. How much simpler does it need to get?????
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I didn't intentionally paste only half your quote ; I usually juste quote what I am replying to (as is good practice when replying to posts in messageboards or on usenet - did you know ?)
Stop that fault-finding (I sincerely sympathize with hubby).
That other half of your quote- as you are quoting it here - just repeats what I stated several times already, nothing more. Why would I criticize that ?
And how simpler can it get ?
You are unable to imagine that life isn't always as simple as you seem to think it is, aren't you ?
Frankly, you people are so full of yourselves. You are convinced you know better than the other guy how he has to live his life. Did you try for one moment to imagine WHY that guy took the risk ?
Him (formerly known as He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant... all of which having, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
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We don't have to get it 'right' in 'the world according to Him'
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My opinion is that NOBODY deserves to be executed for any crime or on any pretext whatsoever.
Continue ranting to yourself. It will be easy to not respond to your nonsense, because I will no longer bother reading it.
I.'ve had it with you
MM Wrote:
Stop that fault-finding (I sincerely sympathize with hubby).
That other half of your quote- as you are quoting it here - just repeats what I stated several times already, nothing more. Why would I criticize that ?
Ok, the highlighted part made me lose any respect I had for you and any chance of responding to you. I will read anything put to me, even if I disagree with it, I dont care how sarcastic or condensending you are. We are all different with different ideals, with different ways of expressing it. When you give potshots or personal insults to someone, you go too far. Apologize.
You are insulting people whom are stating their beliefs which you asked for. You asked everyones opinion, in which I wrote TWICE that I believed he went against the Singaporean Law and knew the punishment. If you would bother to understand the context of what I wrote, which you are accusing us of; you would see that I meant yes, he should be executed.
Frankly, you people are so full of yourselves. You are convinced you know better than the other guy how he has to live his life. Did you try for one moment to imagine WHY that guy took the risk ?
For right or wrong, I am pretty liberal and philosophical minded. But with the facts that you presented, I gave my opinion of what you presented. If you would present more FACTS or circumstances, I might be inclined to change my judgement, I dont do what ifs. My opinions arent set in stone, give me a good reasoning, and I might change.
He can make all the excuses that he wants. He and others of his ilk have caused tremendous pain and harm. Did he deserve to be executed.? Yes.
Stop that fault-finding (I sincerely sympathize with hubby). That's laughable coming from the biggest fault finder.
That other half of your quote- as you are quoting it here - just repeats what I stated several times already, nothing more. Why would I criticize that ?
So you only criticize the comments that don't agree with you?
You are unable to imagine that life isn't always as simple as you seem to think it is, aren't you ?
Of course you know what kind of life everybody here has had. You are unable to imagine that some people here may have had to overcome extreme difficulties, and most did it without smuggling drugs.
You are convinced you know better than the other guy how he has to live his life. Did you try for one moment to imagine WHY that guy took the risk ?
It looks like the other guy didn't have a very good idea how to live his life either. I imagine he took the risk because he had no regard for the law or for the aftermath of suffering his 400 grams of heroin would create. Is he by chance your twin brother because you're both idiots.
You keep telling everyone to think. You ought to try it. You could end up not looking like such an ass.
Him wrote:
Frankly, you people are so full of yourselves. You are convinced you know better than the other guy how he has to live his life. Did you try for one moment to imagine WHY that guy took the risk ?
You are the biggest a**hole in the universe and a petty hypocrite to boot. f*ck you and your ignorant crap. You think you're coming across as wordly and sophisticated but you're nothing but a common a**hole.
Him (formerly known as He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant... all of which having, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
"Him", a dumbf*ck of the first degree who CLAIMS to seek opinions but if they don't match his then they're "wrong" and it means that the other people are "full of themselves". I'll tell you this, chump: I'd rather be full of myself than what you're full of...
Please tehborken, ban this a**hole. Please, please, please. Or make the board registration only.
Registration only is beginning to sound like a great idea.
Him = Arsehole wrote:
Him wrote:
Frankly, you people are so full of yourselves. You are convinced you know better than the other guy how he has to live his life. Did you try for one moment to imagine WHY that guy took the risk ?
You are the biggest a**hole in the universe and a petty hypocrite to boot. f*ck you and your ignorant crap. You think you're coming across as wordly and sophisticated but you're nothing but a common a**hole.
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Frankly, your choice of words indicates your own ignorance and immaturity.
If you only so much as actually READ my reply you would understand that all I am doing is stating my thoughts on the issue and I am absolutely NOT participatinig in an insulting contest as you people seem to think you are doing, nor am I pretending to "have mature and intelligent conversation".
Try to get past your prejudices and try to understand what I am saying.
Please tell me : how does my reply make me into the biggest a**hole in the universe and a hypocrite, how do you reckon it is ignorant crap, and how am I suddenly just a common a**hole anymore ?
Him = Arsehole wrote also:
Him (formerly known as He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant... all of which having, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
"Him", a dumbf*ck of the first degree who CLAIMS to seek opinions but if they don't match his then they're "wrong" and it means that the other people are "full of themselves". I'll tell you this, chump: I'd rather be full of myself than what you're full of...
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Are you sure that's actually a good choice ? :)
So you think a discussion forum is a place to come seeking for opinions ?
Another one who doesn't know what a forum is for and knows nothing about free speech and thought.... I have noticed for some time now that the sole fact of using that free speech and daring to think freely (or at least trying to) has resulted in this sorry bunch insulting, ridiculing and denigrating me practically at every turn rather than just stating YOUR opinion about the issue.
Do you call that a balanced or mature behavior ?
So, I see I have to explain to you : a forum is not for seeking opinions ; I have my own, thank you ; and if I don't have one, I try to think about the issue while gathering the info I need so that I can have my own opinion.
What one wants - and what you people still don't seem to get - is that honest and relatively open discussion based on those opinions should be possible.
The fact of someone's opinion not matching mine is to expected. The problem seems to be that you people are not able to accept that I actually dare to DEFEND my opinions and dare to argument. You retaliate very quickly by calling this "whining" and other silly comments ; and if I only so much as DARE comment about this and go on defending my opinions, why, all hell is breaking loose ; and the stuff you are writing.... is too sorry for words.
I wonder what makes you people unable to actually accept free speech and free thought ?
We (formerly known as Him, He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant.... all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
The Wit and Wisdom of Bumbling Geek in this thrread so far
a forum is not for seeking opinions
What's your opinion ?
Does either one of both, in your opinion, merit the death sentence ?
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I actually dare to DEFEND my opinions and dare to argument
So, I see I have to explain to you
a forum is not for seeking opinions
I am absolutely NOT participatinig in an insulting contest as you people seem to think
has resulted in this sorry bunch insulting, ridiculing and denigrating me practically at every turn
what you people still don't seem to get
Frankly, you people are so full of yourselves.
stuff you are writing.... is too sorry for words.
It' easy to say "that's stupid" from behind your computer and the comfort of your home.
It's time some of you actually tried to think about what I am saying.
nor am I pretending to "have mature and intelligent conversation".
a forum is not for seeking opinions
What's your opinion ?
I actually dare to DEFEND my opinions and dare to argument
- argument away, old chap, but nobody really cares. you've become a figure of fun, and nothing you can do will change that
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An excellent summary.
Lol, Bumbling Bozo is such an asswipe. Thanks for pointing out his self-contradicting statements, most of which I'm sure he doesn't even understand. It's really funny because he made all of those statements himself with no prompting. I love the "what's your opinion" followed by the "a forum is not seeking opinions". LOL!!!
I'm a non-registered user and I vote to make the board registration only. If it happens, no problem, I'll register! I won't whine about it and I won't have a hissy fit like Bumbling Bozo. So you got my vote to make it "registered users only" if it'll help stop the droning noise he makes.
Fur Sure wrote:
Lol, Bumbling Bozo is such an asswipe. Thanks for pointing out his self-contradicting statements, most of which I'm sure he doesn't even understand. It's really funny because he made all of those statements himself with no prompting. I love the "what's your opinion" followed by the "a forum is not seeking opinions". LOL!!!
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Well, this only proves you don't understand what I am saying.
And Fur Sure eructed:
I'm a non-registered user and I vote to make the board registration only. If it happens, no problem, I'll register! I won't whine about it and I won't have a hissy fit like Bumbling Bozo. So you got my vote to make it "registered users only" if it'll help stop the droning noise he makes.
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Another new word for you to use ! :)
It's about time you think of thanking me. I notice some here while bashing me are using words they found in my posts and didn't know before (but they would never admit it of course).
We (formerly known as Him, He, JGG, Mutilated Mind and Jolly Green Giant....all of which having been, to all practical intents and purposes, stolen)
We wrote:
Well, this only proves you don't understand what I am saying.
I have news for you...no one uderstands what you're saying. And it's not because you're a goddamn super-genius, either. It's because you're an incoherent boob whose mindless blather is sucking the vitality and intelligence out of everyone on this forum.
TehBorken wrote:
I have news for you...no one uderstands what you're saying. And it's not because you're a goddamn super-genius, either. It's because you're an incoherent boob whose mindless blather is sucking the vitality and intelligence out of everyone on this forum.
Mumbling Doofus sucks alright but, vacuous though he be, I don't think he represents too much of a threat to the intelligence and vitality that are so abundant on this forum. He's like a mosquito - whiny, irritating, mildly poisonous, but ultimately inconsequential.
With all his bitching about this forum and the people on it, one wonders why he doesn't spend more time with people who care about him.
Booyah K. Shaw wrote:
With all his bitching about this forum and the people on it, one wonders why he doesn't spend more time with people who care about him.
Do such people exist?
Well, no.