You gotta feel for those Armish families who lost their kids. I mean.... what a pathetic loser to go into a defenceless school and start shooting at girls execution-style. I'm sorry but I hope there's a special place in Hell for him.
I can't understand these killers who take up a gun and just start shooting at random innocent people. I'll say it again and again, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff40"]GUNS KILL[/FONT]. TAKE THEM AWAY for good.
The sick thing is that cult who goes around preaching against gays and shit is going to protest the funerals of these little girls. Why, I have no idea but Rev. Phelps is a sick human being to begin with.
him killing those girls was only half the story. he was planning on holding them hostage for awhile (about a week) and sexually assualting them. apparently he had food, clothing and lube in his knapsack.
I thought that was the colorado shooting last week where the guy had sex toys?
Anyway Lise just be thankful that you live in Canada were if anything like this happens politicians do something about it and try to fix these problems. Even though gun laws won't stop it, people have to be taught to know the signs of trouble. I've been there and back so to speak. When these people get really down crazy shit goes into there head and if they don't have the strongest conscience in the world they will act these things out. We as a society need to see the warning signs and not care about "well what if he or she isn't serious and is just joking" anytime someone says something they don't usually say its a warning sign a calling for help and if we can't recognize this as a society things like this will continue.
Oh God. That guy had sex toys too?!?!? Twisted minds. Damn. I feel so scared when I read about stuff like this. I mean, my kids will go to school.... how to protect them.
SD, that one killing in Montreal - that was in Canada. I don't think anywhere in the world is safe as long as you have these sickoes in our midst.
Yes that was in Canada. But as shown with the Polytenque massacre in '89 your government DOES something about it. My could careless.
Sportsdude wrote:
Why, I have no idea but Rev. Phelps is a sick human being to begin with.
Rev Fred Phelps is beyond sick. He is the embodiment of pure, twisted evil. A total f*ckhead. If he's smart, he won't step in front of my car at a stoplight.
Lise wrote:
I'll say it again and again, [strong style="font-style: italic;"][font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 64);"]GUNS KILL[/font].[/b] [strong style="font-style: italic;"]TAKE THEM AWAY[/b] for good.
I respect your feelings on this, but does anyone honestly believe he wouldn't have done this if no firearms were available to him? Not me. Lack of a gun wouldn't have stopped a sick piece of crap like him.
I've carried a firearm for over 20 years, day in and day out. I've not gone on a killing spree yet and I doubt I ever will. But I'll say this- not having a gun wouldn't stop me from doing something heinous if I really, really wanted to. It would only mean that I'd have to pick another way to do it. Same with that guy. Not having a gun wouldn't have stopped him.
Yes that was in Canada. But as shown with the Polytenque massacre in '89 your government DOES something about it. My could careless.
I'm not sure I agree with that, Sportsdude. The punishment for our whackos is often a slap on the wrist. Makes me crazy.[/DIV]
God, now they want to arm teachers with guns in the classroom.
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TehBorken wrote:
I respect your feelings on this, but does anyone honestly believe he wouldn't have done this if no firearms were available to him? Not me. Lack of a gun wouldn't have stopped a sick piece of crap like him.
I've carried a firearm for over 20 years, day in and day out. I've not gone on a killing spree yet and I doubt I ever will. But I'll say this- not having a gun [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]wouldn't[/SPAN] stop me from doing something heinous if I really, really wanted to. It would only mean that I'd have to pick another way to do it. Same with that guy. Not having a gun wouldn't have stopped him.
It may not have stopped sickoes like him but I'm positive that the mortality rate would have been much lower. I cannot but help wonder if he did not carry a weapon, then the police might have had a chance to get to him before it happens.
I just can't help but feel guns should not have been invented in the first place. I'm sorry, TehBorken... it's just not in my nature to accept that guns are ok in the hands of responsible citizens. Weapons should be handed to law enforcers and only them.
My two cents. Hope this doesn't offend you.
I fear guns. mainly because what they've done to me really. Not everyday your high school football becomes almost a gang fight with guns pointing at each other. Then my church got shot up. Always heard about some boy always dying while hunting. And they always did the right thing and they still got killed. More guns don't solve the problem. Getting guns out of the bad peoples hands and being able to track stolen guns are a priority to me. If they can censor the television shows and still say its free speech they can have a gun control programs and programs where if you have any time of arrest you loose your right to a gun. Hell, if they can suspend habieus corpus now they can have gun control/gun safety/ and get guns of our streets programs.
Your church got shot up? What sick freak would do that to a place of worship? *shaking head in disbelief*
Its been burned down, shot up, and robbed and a husband killed his wife and kids next door a couple of years ago. Yeah inner city. The cops rule the streets there. If you go 31mph in a 30mph zone they'll pull you over. Lots of abandon buildings, abandon gas stations, crime, good times.
Yeah, no wonder you want to leave your hometown. Terrible to think it's happening in America.
LOL. I could take some pictures sometime of where I build this house. I start from the turn off on the highway and go past Saint Louis University cool buildings, Fox Theatre cool buildings. But the instant I leave the Fox area I pass the traditional segregation line. The white people back in the day used to live only up to the Fox Theatre then you'd continue down the street and you immediately run into houses that are vacant and have collapsed, burned out buildings, crack houses, basically you enter a slum. At night people just randomly come up to you and kill you. Shootings happen every night. 12 year olds steal cars. Nobody gives a shit either. Thats the sad part. The white people around here say 'oh racisms dead' LOL, the only thing the civil rights movement did was stop the federal policies of segregation. Just because its not legal anymore doesn't mean that its not still practiced.
Lise wrote:[em][/em]
My two cents. Hope this doesn't offend you.
Not at all, I understand where you're coming from.
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I think Canada's gun registraion is the dumbest idea ever!
Why? Well, what ends up happening is so much $$ and attention is forwarded to honest hard working people that contribute to a positive society, whereas a criminal doesn't need to register a gun to have one in possession and make a gun work!
Its a big bullshit money grab! Its a big joke and it pisses me off! Meanwhile, the registration cost how much?? CBC estimates over 2 Billion dollars!
I am going to puke now!
lol......no kidding CK. Did they really have visions of thieves, rapists and murderers lining up to register their weapons? If you can't get them to abide by one law, could we expect them to abide by two??? What on earth could they have been thinking.
it is bizarre though. The freak that did the shooting in Montreal, actually had a registered gun..good thing he planned ahead and paid the feds their fare share first.
The Registry works when someone steals a registered gun and uses. Its basically a tracking device for the police, so they can solve crimes quicker.
Sportsdude wrote:
The Registry works when someone steals a registered gun and uses. Its basically a tracking device for the police, so they can solve crimes quicker.[/DIV]
Is it worth throwing away billions of dollars on? Another Chretieeen scar on Canada!
Sportsdude wrote:
The Registry works when someone steals a registered gun and uses. Its basically a tracking device for the police, so they can solve crimes quicker.
Of course it would never be used against the citizenry to help control dissent or anything like that.
Okay, think this through. Let's say someone steals a gun and it's registered. How does that actually help the police? It won't prevent anything and it won't stop any crime. Cars are registered and no one seems to think twice about stealing them. The registration didn't stop this whacko who shot up the Amish school, did it?
So how would this actually do anything except allow the police to know who has a legally registered firearm?
This may come as a shock to you, SD, but the answer to all of life's problems is not another inneffective law.
The police like it, thats all. I'm not going to get worked up over this.
Its more of a culture I believe thats gone wrong.
I mean we have people sniping cars on the highway. There's something going on in today's society in this country that I can put a finger but I doubt anyone will fix it. Because its not a simple issue to solve. What I'm talking about is a much harder issue to solve and involves everyone to get involved.
All of these shootings that make the headlines have two things in common someone is using a gun and they are mentally distressed/distrubed. We aren't going to stop these things from happening until we can clearly know the warning signs. For example the kid in Montreal. Warning signs should have gone up when he was posing with guns. Parents need to stop being niave. The kid in Wisconsin always talked about shooting up the school. If anyone says anything about harming someone in school they need to be talked to.
Its like going through airport security. You don't talk about you having somekind of bomb. Here in Saint Louis at the Arch if you even mention the word "bomb" crack a joke even, you will get taken into custody.
I'm torn on gun laws. Because gun laws do work in the inner city but come off as wrong in the rural areas. There has to be a middle ground somewhere. So I'm more focused on the social reasons why people are pushed to kill. If we can't solve the reason why these kids and adults do this, then we won't get anywhere.
Sportsdude wrote:
The police like it, thats all.
An excellent reason to be suspicious of it in the first place. The cops don't exist to promote your freedom.
I'm torn on gun laws.
Gun laws are almost useless because the only people that pay any attention to them are law-abiding people....the very ones that by definition you don't have to worry about in the first place. Criminals don't obey gun laws any more than they obey other laws. The only people that laws affect (any laws) are the people who are already willing to abide by them. It's the same principle as the old maxim you may have heard: "locks only keep out honest people".
I am not saying there shouldn't be gun laws. I'm in favor of them, actually. But more laws won't make a bit of difference.
To Lise:
Your two cents have just bought you a blessing! I'm in entire agreement with you.
I know tehborken, we've got into gun control fights before, you've always taken the responsible gun owner route I'm usually talking about illegal guns and guns in the hands of people with a criminal record. See in my state if I started a bill that said "Anyone with a criminal record of anykind no matter what the offence loses there right to own a gun" I'd be vilified and attacked for being a liberal loon who wants to take farmers hunting guns away. Which is simply just not the case.
I'll agree with anything for a blessing. [img style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick=url(this.src); src="vny!://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/a070.gif" border=0]
Sportsdude wrote:
See in my state if I started a bill that said "Anyone with a criminal record of anykind no matter what the offence loses there right to own a gun" I'd be vilified
No, you'd be duplicating already existing legislation. Felons aren't allowed to own or possess firearms in all 50 states. Period. Has that worked?
Are you saying that someone who was busted for shoplifting 20 years ago would be classed the same way as a felon? How about someone who was arressted at an anti-war protest? How about a conviction for jaywalking? Where would you draw the line, or would you?
P.C. wrote:
I'll agree with anything for a blessing.
I blessed you, but you (implicitly) agreed to give me a passionate 100-degree kiss, the kind that make me feel light-headed and woozy. (//forums/richedit/smileys/Love/16.gif)
Lise wrote:
I just can't help but feel guns should not have been invented in the first place.
I wish nuclear bombs were no invented either!
I blessed you, but you (implicitly) agreed to give me a passionate 100-degree kiss, the kind that make me feel light-headed and woozy. [img height=21 src="vny!://www.funfilesandsmiles.com/smilies/frenchkiss.gif" width=30 border=0]
100 degrees - celsius, fahrenheit of geographic?
Gopher wrote:
100 degrees - celsius, fahrenheit of geographic?
Absolutely!
I wish nuclear bombs were no invented either!
Gah!!!, are you Scottish?
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