Posted by Where
- Sep 21 07 09:49 P.C. wrote:
They're advertised here all the time.
Where abouts are they advertised? The CDN dollar being almost at par is even more reason to head out.
They're advertised here all the time.
Where abouts are they advertised? The CDN dollar being almost at par is even more reason to head out.
Posted by Well
- Aug 24 07 12:0949er wrote:
SD, I think the ladies are trying to tell you that you're too tunnel visioned. You need to take into condideration life experieces and personal preferences than relying only on statistics. You cannot go thru life base on studies or someone else conceptions
A lot of people are like that. My boss in a higher government organization bases ALL his decisions and creates his own distorted view of reality of statistics. Remember, three types of wrong information: lies, damn lies, and statistics. Stats can be skewed or presented in such a way to argue a certain point of view always.
SD, I think the ladies are trying to tell you that you're too tunnel visioned. You need to take into condideration life experieces and personal preferences than relying only on statistics. You cannot go thru life base on studies or someone else conceptions
A lot of people are like that. My boss in a higher government organization bases ALL his decisions and creates his own distorted view of reality of statistics. Remember, three types of wrong information: lies, damn lies, and statistics. Stats can be skewed or presented in such a way to argue a certain point of view always.
Posted by Sportsdude
- Aug 24 07 10:32i dunno why pl, it's a habit from living in the midwest that I want to shed badly.
Posted by 49er
- Aug 24 07 10:25So it was right for the taxpayers to pick up the $100K bill?
This is a land of opportunity. I didn't get to where I am today by seating on my ass. And my believe is that if you cannot provide for a kid then you shouldn't have one in the first place
Posted by purelife
- Aug 24 07 10:2149er you are AWESOME!
Finally, you admit to something, SD! If you admit to being tunneled vision, then why do you CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH US?!!
Finally, you admit to something, SD! If you admit to being tunneled vision, then why do you CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH US?!!
Posted by Sportsdude
- Aug 24 07 10:13that's fine. I have no problem with that view. I just think of the not fully insured folks and not insured folks. A kid I know wasn't insured got in an accident out in the country called a friend, who got their before the cops showed up. She got in the driver seat and he moved over. Anyway the cops believed the story. If she hadn't come he'd be in debt for years the medical bill was around 100k.
Then there's country hospitals which are appauling.
Then there's country hospitals which are appauling.
Posted by 49er
- Aug 24 07 10:09Sportsdude wrote:
........Stats just give an overall picture, they're not a case by case. Everyone's is different. For example you want me to give life experiences. Well I've grown up in an all private health care system and its by no means great. The long lines that the politicians here say will happen with a public system are already happening with a private system. My uncle had to wait 2 years for a knee operation. You go to these urgent cares and sit 3hrs in a waiting room. Doctor's have made errors on me while in surgery. I have to live with them everyday. Medical bills are insane.
I live in the same private care system but I have an opposite view. I think its great. If I need to see my personal doctor I'm able to be squeezed in between appointments. When my wife needed surgery she was scheduled within a couple weeks. I have co-payments of $10 to see the doctor and $5 for prescription. I have no complains
........Stats just give an overall picture, they're not a case by case. Everyone's is different. For example you want me to give life experiences. Well I've grown up in an all private health care system and its by no means great. The long lines that the politicians here say will happen with a public system are already happening with a private system. My uncle had to wait 2 years for a knee operation. You go to these urgent cares and sit 3hrs in a waiting room. Doctor's have made errors on me while in surgery. I have to live with them everyday. Medical bills are insane.
I live in the same private care system but I have an opposite view. I think its great. If I need to see my personal doctor I'm able to be squeezed in between appointments. When my wife needed surgery she was scheduled within a couple weeks. I have co-payments of $10 to see the doctor and $5 for prescription. I have no complains
Posted by Sportsdude
- Aug 24 07 10:04 yup i know i'm tunnel visioned.
Posted by Lise
- Aug 24 07 10:0449er wrote:
SD, I think the ladies are trying to tell you that you're too tunnel visioned. You need to take into condideration life experieces and personal preferences than relying only on statistics. You cannot go thru life base on studies or someone else conceptions
[FONT size=6]OMG. THANK YOU!!!![/FONT]
SD, I think the ladies are trying to tell you that you're too tunnel visioned. You need to take into condideration life experieces and personal preferences than relying only on statistics. You cannot go thru life base on studies or someone else conceptions
[FONT size=6]OMG. THANK YOU!!!![/FONT]
Posted by P.C.
- Aug 24 07 09:58Uncle
Posted by 49er
- Aug 24 07 09:58SD, I think the ladies are trying to tell you that you're too tunnel visioned. You need to take into condideration life experieces and personal preferences than relying only on statistics. You cannot go thru life base on studies or someone else conceptions
Posted by Sportsdude
- Aug 24 07 09:52Someone who will actually say......You COULDN'T have had that experience, because the stats say different.
When have I ever said that? I've said in the past stats just give an idea of what's going on. While they can be interpreted in anyway someone chooses, they're an interpetation none of the less.
Like when they say 1 in 4 will get cancer or something. Does that mean that someone in a family of 4 will get cancer at some point? No. Its just using the cancer stats from the hospital and then divides it into the general population numbers.
Stats just give an overall picture, they're not a case by case. Everyone's is different. For example you want me to give life experiences. Well I've grown up in an all private health care system and its by no means great. The long lines that the politicians here say will happen with a public system are already happening with a private system. My uncle had to wait 2 years for a knee operation. You go to these urgent cares and sit 3hrs in a waiting room. Doctor's have made errors on me while in surgery. I have to live with them everyday. Medical bills are insane.
When have I ever said that? I've said in the past stats just give an idea of what's going on. While they can be interpreted in anyway someone chooses, they're an interpetation none of the less.
Like when they say 1 in 4 will get cancer or something. Does that mean that someone in a family of 4 will get cancer at some point? No. Its just using the cancer stats from the hospital and then divides it into the general population numbers.
Stats just give an overall picture, they're not a case by case. Everyone's is different. For example you want me to give life experiences. Well I've grown up in an all private health care system and its by no means great. The long lines that the politicians here say will happen with a public system are already happening with a private system. My uncle had to wait 2 years for a knee operation. You go to these urgent cares and sit 3hrs in a waiting room. Doctor's have made errors on me while in surgery. I have to live with them everyday. Medical bills are insane.
Posted by P.C.
- Aug 24 07 09:42It could be expanded and the the long lines at stations would disappear with the adding of another skytrain car. But I didn't come up with that transportation experts on the radio did. A reporter from the BBC asked Campbell why in his green plan the adding of another car on the skytrain lines wasn't on it and he bulked saying that Vancouver isn't high density enough.
You're fragmenting again. I'm not debating whether the transit situation works or not. I'm pointing out that if, like you say, stats are how things get done properly......why didn't they work for this?
I'm also not saying that stats don't serve some purpose.....although I believe it's minimal, because it can be manipulated to serve any agenda. I'm saying it's frustrating to debate an issue with someone who relies on them as a substitute for reality. Someone who will actually say......You COULDN'T have had that experience, because the stats say different.
You're fragmenting again. I'm not debating whether the transit situation works or not. I'm pointing out that if, like you say, stats are how things get done properly......why didn't they work for this?
I'm also not saying that stats don't serve some purpose.....although I believe it's minimal, because it can be manipulated to serve any agenda. I'm saying it's frustrating to debate an issue with someone who relies on them as a substitute for reality. Someone who will actually say......You COULDN'T have had that experience, because the stats say different.
Posted by Sportsdude
- Aug 24 07 09:33 It could be expanded and the the long lines at stations would disappear with the adding of another skytrain car. But I didn't come up with that transportation experts on the radio did. A reporter from the BBC asked Campbell why in his green plan the adding of another car on the skytrain lines wasn't on it and he bulked saying that Vancouver isn't high density enough.
Posted by purelife
- Aug 24 07 09:33Sportsdude wrote:
without stats you don't have change in something that is not working. From wait times to where to put a sky train line, a bus route, a highway, a school. Because you wouldn't want a skytrain line or bus route going where the people aren't. People who put decide where to put the bus lines and skytrain lines look at stats of where the most movement of the population is. Without those stats, we'd be guessing.
I never said that stats don't serve a purpose. I just said that stats don't serve a purpose for ME! Stats are important, of course, but not for ME, at this time!
without stats you don't have change in something that is not working. From wait times to where to put a sky train line, a bus route, a highway, a school. Because you wouldn't want a skytrain line or bus route going where the people aren't. People who put decide where to put the bus lines and skytrain lines look at stats of where the most movement of the population is. Without those stats, we'd be guessing.
I never said that stats don't serve a purpose. I just said that stats don't serve a purpose for ME! Stats are important, of course, but not for ME, at this time!