You know, the troll that runs around spamming anal pics on the board using variations of existing members names. This FLANGE isn't the FLANGE from DV.
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#2
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism
Aug 16 10 08:32
I just noticed that but I suspect it was a DV impersonator rather than the member.
#3
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism
Aug 16 10 06:29
So what are we debating here then? You haven't been there in ages. I am telling you that crap isn't there. The thread title is a load. End of story I guess.
#4
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism
Aug 16 10 10:03
TehBorken wrote:
Marty wrote:
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"] (PS - your quoting set-up sucks
[/SPAN]
If you have the skills, feel free to write a nicer one. I'll wait.
I do but I ain't gonna.
We might, but it's hard to predict the future. (I always have a difficult time doing it reliably.) It's all done on a case by case basis but there's a good chance that if someone starts a "Kill The N*ggers" thread here that I or another mod would delete it. Why? Because we'd probably consider in inappropriate. There are plenty of places one can go to have that kind of discussion; this isn't one of them.
As would it be deleted on DV so where's the beef?
And before you go all "freedom of speech blah blah blah" on me, please understand that there's no more freedom of speech here than there is in my living room. There are lots of things you wouldn't let me do in your home, and it's no different here. There are some limits imposed, some things we won't tolerate or allow, and I personally don't lay awake at night feeling guilty over it.
In short, we reserve the right to do whatever we want as the situation warrants, just like you do in certain areas of your life. The users here are [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]guests[/SPAN], not shareholders. Check the TOS; unlike the Constitution there's no right to free speech mentioned anywhere.
We're not obligated to provide anything for anyone at any time, regardless of whether or not a particular person feels it's fair or not. That includes providing an open forum with unlimited "free speech" or allowing stuff we don't like. In short, yes, there are some things we don't want here and won't go along with.
If you want that kind of forum, feel free to start your own. Run it however you like. Nothing's stopping you from doing that except yourself.
I believe in limits to freedom of speech. I understand that people set their own limits on their own forums and don't challenge that. If I don't like it, I know where I can go. Although racism is not illegal, I see no place for it on any forum I frequent.
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Once again I note: I have never seen anyone saying "Kill The N*ggers" aside from a known troll who's posts I don't consider to be a discussionable contribution to any board.[/SPAN]
You never saw it so it didn't happen. Right. Look, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Several people here have said they've seen those kinds of posts (including me). I don't feel the need to try and convince you of what I saw, but if you want to dispute it, feel free.
Note the topic here Bork. DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism. The example provided is Kill the N*ggers. No such thread or even sentiment currently exists on the DV board. If people want to use real examples, I would be happy to entertain them as they pertain to the claim, however, that isn't the case here. Kill the N*ggers was a thread I saw on this board no less, provided by a troll. You can try to turn it back on me and try to lay claim that I just missed it on DV, but we both know that's a crock of crap.
I won't challenge what DV used to be, but the topic at hand is in present tense. Presently, that crap isn't on DV. Would that denote improvement?
Listen, the point is, if you or anyone else here would like to make a claim based on real examples that actually exist, I would happy to have a discussion about it.
Marty wrote:
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"] (PS - your quoting set-up sucks
[/SPAN]If you have the skills, feel free to write a nicer one. I'll wait.
I do but I ain't gonna.
We might, but it's hard to predict the future. (I always have a difficult time doing it reliably.) It's all done on a case by case basis but there's a good chance that if someone starts a "Kill The N*ggers" thread here that I or another mod would delete it. Why? Because we'd probably consider in inappropriate. There are plenty of places one can go to have that kind of discussion; this isn't one of them.
As would it be deleted on DV so where's the beef?
And before you go all "freedom of speech blah blah blah" on me, please understand that there's no more freedom of speech here than there is in my living room. There are lots of things you wouldn't let me do in your home, and it's no different here. There are some limits imposed, some things we won't tolerate or allow, and I personally don't lay awake at night feeling guilty over it.
In short, we reserve the right to do whatever we want as the situation warrants, just like you do in certain areas of your life. The users here are [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]guests[/SPAN], not shareholders. Check the TOS; unlike the Constitution there's no right to free speech mentioned anywhere.
We're not obligated to provide anything for anyone at any time, regardless of whether or not a particular person feels it's fair or not. That includes providing an open forum with unlimited "free speech" or allowing stuff we don't like. In short, yes, there are some things we don't want here and won't go along with.
If you want that kind of forum, feel free to start your own. Run it however you like. Nothing's stopping you from doing that except yourself.
I believe in limits to freedom of speech. I understand that people set their own limits on their own forums and don't challenge that. If I don't like it, I know where I can go. Although racism is not illegal, I see no place for it on any forum I frequent.
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Once again I note: I have never seen anyone saying "Kill The N*ggers" aside from a known troll who's posts I don't consider to be a discussionable contribution to any board.[/SPAN]
You never saw it so it didn't happen. Right. Look, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Several people here have said they've seen those kinds of posts (including me). I don't feel the need to try and convince you of what I saw, but if you want to dispute it, feel free.
Note the topic here Bork. DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism. The example provided is Kill the N*ggers. No such thread or even sentiment currently exists on the DV board. If people want to use real examples, I would be happy to entertain them as they pertain to the claim, however, that isn't the case here. Kill the N*ggers was a thread I saw on this board no less, provided by a troll. You can try to turn it back on me and try to lay claim that I just missed it on DV, but we both know that's a crock of crap.
I won't challenge what DV used to be, but the topic at hand is in present tense. Presently, that crap isn't on DV. Would that denote improvement?
Listen, the point is, if you or anyone else here would like to make a claim based on real examples that actually exist, I would happy to have a discussion about it.
#5
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism
Aug 15 10 11:22
Sorry, I am going to re-reply this. I meant to delete the stuff above and just post my post... (PS - your quoting set-up sucks
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Who is advocating for the killing of Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Asians, etc on DV?
I was asking if you curb that kind of discussion. I asked because it seems contentious issues on DV are an issue for discussion here.
Once again I note: I have never seen anyone saying "Kill The N*ggers" aside from a known troll who's posts I don't consider to be a discussionable contribution to any board.
mv trollposts /dev/null/[/DIV]
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Who is advocating for the killing of Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Asians, etc on DV?
I was asking if you curb that kind of discussion. I asked because it seems contentious issues on DV are an issue for discussion here.
Once again I note: I have never seen anyone saying "Kill The N*ggers" aside from a known troll who's posts I don't consider to be a discussionable contribution to any board.
mv trollposts /dev/null/[/DIV]
#6
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is a cesspit of porn and extremism
Aug 15 10 11:21
P.C. wrote:
[SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]Marty wrote:[/SPAN][BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"] [DIV style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"][SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Ah I see. So discussions around contentious social, political and religious issues should be curbed and culled because they might contain some offensive material? [/SPAN][BR style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]
No, that's not at all what I said. I think there's a big difference between a discussion of race (even a very spirited discussion) and 100 posts that say "KILL ALL THE N*GGERS", don't you? I have no problem with offensive material in context, but that's not what 100 posts that say "KILL ALL THE N*GGERS" is all about, is it? Is that what you consider a "[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]discussion around contentious social, political and religious issues[/SPAN]"?
If people want to discuss race, religion, whatever, that's fine. If you want to advocate killing muslims, jews, blacks, or asians, then no, it's not. At least not in my house.
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]It sounds like you guys have a problem with dissension if it doesn't agree with your own values.[/SPAN][/DIV][BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"][SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]I don't think so, but I can only speak for myself.[/SPAN]
Well said TehBorken.
I'm curious Marty, when exactly have you seen that type of discussion curbed here, or are you just assuming that's what would happen.
Who is advocating for the killing of Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Asians, etc on DV?
I was asking if you curb that kind of discussion. I asked because it seems contentious issues on DV are an issue for discussion here.
Once again I note: I have never seen anyone saying "Kill The N*ggers" aside from a known troll who's posts I don't consider to be a discussionable contribution to any board.
mv trollposts /dev/null/
[SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]Marty wrote:[/SPAN][BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"] [DIV style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"][SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Ah I see. So discussions around contentious social, political and religious issues should be curbed and culled because they might contain some offensive material? [/SPAN][BR style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]
No, that's not at all what I said. I think there's a big difference between a discussion of race (even a very spirited discussion) and 100 posts that say "KILL ALL THE N*GGERS", don't you? I have no problem with offensive material in context, but that's not what 100 posts that say "KILL ALL THE N*GGERS" is all about, is it? Is that what you consider a "[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]discussion around contentious social, political and religious issues[/SPAN]"?
If people want to discuss race, religion, whatever, that's fine. If you want to advocate killing muslims, jews, blacks, or asians, then no, it's not. At least not in my house.
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]It sounds like you guys have a problem with dissension if it doesn't agree with your own values.[/SPAN][/DIV][BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"][SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]I don't think so, but I can only speak for myself.[/SPAN]
Well said TehBorken.
I'm curious Marty, when exactly have you seen that type of discussion curbed here, or are you just assuming that's what would happen.
Who is advocating for the killing of Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Asians, etc on DV?
I was asking if you curb that kind of discussion. I asked because it seems contentious issues on DV are an issue for discussion here.
Once again I note: I have never seen anyone saying "Kill The N*ggers" aside from a known troll who's posts I don't consider to be a discussionable contribution to any board.
mv trollposts /dev/null/
#7
Discover Seattle! / Re: Jokes, Jokes, Jokes
Aug 07 10 04:40
What's the opposite of Christopher Reeves?
Christopher Walken.
Christopher Walken.
#8
Discover Seattle! / Re: Make an anagram out of your own name
Aug 05 10 12:44
Thank you! I thought it was funny too.
#9
Discover Seattle! / Re: Make an anagram out of your own name
Aug 05 10 11:37
I put my wife's name in and it came back as Saggier Toilet. She wasn't impressed.
#10
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is supportive of Fascism & Rascism
Aug 05 10 11:32
[FONT color=#737373]Orik wrote:
Examples are threads deleted and others that are left on.. What one mod will delete another lets slide... it sort of seems like there is no coordinated effort to remove offensive threads... again what offends one moderator does not seem to bother another..
The examples are from just what I have seen over the years.. You can not sit there and say you have not seen such things happen.. not if you expect me to credibly believe that you have been a poster on DV for years..
The other thing is, it is difficult to post examples when they Have been deleted already.. Vindictive mods.. I suspect some still hold a grudge against me. I wrote 2 threads, neither one a troll job or offensive yet they are not approved..
Why is it my threads are not created but have to go through an administrators approval first, it doesn't look like any of the other forum members have this inflicted on them. To me that is censorship. Modgyver states my threads are not deleted he said they just they have to be reviewed and approved by one of the DV Administrators first..
It's been 2 days now & none has been approved yet.. I see no records of them being posted, so I doubt that they ever will, not then, not now & probably not ever.. Baaaah! such sheep... I prefer not to flock together but to be the goat in the midst.. I would rather rock the boat and sink or float as it is.. It basically looks like I am still unwelcome at DV, they just don't want to say that, maybe they don't say it out of fear of legal action >?
It is not like I am going to crash the forum or hack it to smithereens.. Shesh it took me a week to figure out that Fortran is the original binary code used by IBM and Did you know Orik is another form of computer system code ? I just recently found that out.. I couldn't hack my way out of a wet paper bag using windows 98 exploits to save my life...
Ah well back to reading the forums and commenting on things I like or dislike..
Ciao[/FONT]
Are you still going off about your whinging post? I have seen many people complain that their posts flying off the handle at the mods have been removed so it seems like a fairly common occurance.
Have you tried posting over at DV since your hissy fit? I am wondering if they just removed your couple moans or if you are mod preview indefinitely. I can't see them putting you on admin preview for good over one criticism.
Examples are threads deleted and others that are left on.. What one mod will delete another lets slide... it sort of seems like there is no coordinated effort to remove offensive threads... again what offends one moderator does not seem to bother another..
The examples are from just what I have seen over the years.. You can not sit there and say you have not seen such things happen.. not if you expect me to credibly believe that you have been a poster on DV for years..
The other thing is, it is difficult to post examples when they Have been deleted already.. Vindictive mods.. I suspect some still hold a grudge against me. I wrote 2 threads, neither one a troll job or offensive yet they are not approved..
Why is it my threads are not created but have to go through an administrators approval first, it doesn't look like any of the other forum members have this inflicted on them. To me that is censorship. Modgyver states my threads are not deleted he said they just they have to be reviewed and approved by one of the DV Administrators first..
It's been 2 days now & none has been approved yet.. I see no records of them being posted, so I doubt that they ever will, not then, not now & probably not ever.. Baaaah! such sheep... I prefer not to flock together but to be the goat in the midst.. I would rather rock the boat and sink or float as it is.. It basically looks like I am still unwelcome at DV, they just don't want to say that, maybe they don't say it out of fear of legal action >?
It is not like I am going to crash the forum or hack it to smithereens.. Shesh it took me a week to figure out that Fortran is the original binary code used by IBM and Did you know Orik is another form of computer system code ? I just recently found that out.. I couldn't hack my way out of a wet paper bag using windows 98 exploits to save my life...
Ah well back to reading the forums and commenting on things I like or dislike..
Ciao[/FONT]
Are you still going off about your whinging post? I have seen many people complain that their posts flying off the handle at the mods have been removed so it seems like a fairly common occurance.
Have you tried posting over at DV since your hissy fit? I am wondering if they just removed your couple moans or if you are mod preview indefinitely. I can't see them putting you on admin preview for good over one criticism.
#12
Discover Seattle! / Re: Challenge
Aug 04 10 11:44
Sorry, I have hit my monthly quota for signing up for dumb crap that is going to fill my inbox with spam. Try me next month.
#13
Discover Seattle! / Re: Make an anagram out of your own name
Aug 04 10 10:21
[FONT color=#8b8b8b]Orik wrote:
There is none for Orik [/FONT]
I suspect Orik is not your real name.
There is none for Orik [/FONT]
I suspect Orik is not your real name.
#14
Discover Seattle! / Re: DV is supportive of Fascism & Rascism
Aug 04 10 10:20
[FONT color=#8b8b8b]Orik wrote:
D, that has also been one of my thoughts as well, The D.V Administrators allow most of that crap to continue because of the hits they get. So that pretty much lets the trolls do what ever they feel like.
The moderators do the best they can, however they seem to be doing it with almost no direction from the Administrators there seems to be no set rules guidelines or policy to work with. Most of the deletions on dv seem to be random... Is it any wonder I prefer a smaller and quieter forum such as that which can be found here on DS and over at datw[/FONT]
What deletions are random? Examples?
D, that has also been one of my thoughts as well, The D.V Administrators allow most of that crap to continue because of the hits they get. So that pretty much lets the trolls do what ever they feel like.
The moderators do the best they can, however they seem to be doing it with almost no direction from the Administrators there seems to be no set rules guidelines or policy to work with. Most of the deletions on dv seem to be random... Is it any wonder I prefer a smaller and quieter forum such as that which can be found here on DS and over at datw[/FONT]
What deletions are random? Examples?