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Title: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: TehBorken on Sep 20 08 09:08
An email making the rounds. ...List of things you can do with Peroxide:

1. Take one capful (the little white cap that comes
with the bottle) and hold in your mouth for 10 minutes
daily, then spit it out. (I do it when I bathe.) No more
canker sores, and your teeth will be whiter without
expensive pastes. Use it instead of mouthwash.

e.g. Arm & Hammer baking soda & PEROXIDE

2. Let your toothbrushes soak in a cup of peroxide
to keep them free of germs.

3. Clean your counters and table tops with peroxide
to kill germs and leave a fresh smell. Simply put a
little on your dishrag when you wipe, or spray it on
the counters.

4. After rinsing off your wooden cutting board, pour
peroxide on it to kill salmonella and other bacteria.

5. I had fungus on my feet for years until I sprayed
a 50/50 mixture of peroxide and water on them
(especially the toes) every night and let dry.

6. Soak any infections or cuts in 3% peroxide for five
to ten minutes several times a day. My husband has
seen gang rene that would not heal w ith any medicine but was
hea led by soaking in peroxide.

7. Fill a spray bottle with a 5 0/50 mixture of peroxide
and water and keep it in every bathroom to disinfect
without harming your septic system like bleach or most
other disinfectants will.

8. Tilt your head back and spray into nostrils with your
50/50 mixture whenever you have a cold, plugged sinus.
It will bubble and help to kill the bacteria. Hold for
a few minutes, and then blow your nose into a tissue.

9. If you have a terrible toothache and cannot get to
a dentist right away, put a capful of 3% peroxide into
your mouth and hold it for ten minutes several times
a day. The pain will lessen greatly.


10. And of course, if you like a natural look to your
hair, spray the 50/50 solution on your wet hair after

a shower and comb it through. You will not have the
peroxide-burnt blonde hair like the hair dye packages
but more natural highlights if your hair is a light
brown, faddish, or dirty blonde. It also lightens
gradually, so it's not a drastic change.

11. Put half a bottle of peroxide in your bath to help
rid boils, fungus, or other skin infections.


12. You can also add a cup of peroxide instead of
bleach to a load of whites in your laundry to whiten
them. If there is blood on clothing, pour it directly
on the soiled spot. Let it sit for a minute, then rub
it and rinse with cold water. Repeat if necessary.

13. I use peroxide to clean my mirrors. There is no
smearing, which is why I love it so much for this.




 
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 20 08 09:21
Hey.....I JUST came across that article the other day.

  Lots of good tips in that one..... in the intro of that article, they state that peroxide is much cheaper than bleach.  I don't know where the person that wrote that lives, but a bottle of peroxide in the same size as a bottle of bleach here, would cost about 10 times as much.  
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Michel on Sep 20 08 09:34
   
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 20 08 09:37
I'm pretty sure it's one of the ingredients in teeth whiteners.....mind you who knows.....maybe it's only a matter of time before they come out with a report telling everyone to STOP using them as they are under investigation for the unprecedented up-rise of mouth cancer.  
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Michel on Sep 20 08 09:52
   
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lil Me on Sep 20 08 10:19
I used a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and water to rinse my mouth when I used to get horrible infections (before wisdom teeth were removed).  Dentist told me to do it.  Tasted awful and I can't remember my teeth getting any whiter.  
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Michel on Sep 20 08 10:24
   
 
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lise on Sep 20 08 05:58
1. Take one capful (the little white cap that comes
with the bottle) and hold in your mouth for 10 minutes
daily, then spit it out. (I do it when I bathe.) No more
canker sores, and your teeth will be whiter without
expensive pastes. Use it instead of mouthwash.

e.g. Arm & Hammer baking soda & PEROXIDE


  Uhm..... OK.... just to let you know that we in the dental field do not recommend that you use peroxide (whatever the dose) and let it sit into your mouth for even a few seconds. It's a sure way to burn off your tissues never mind the cranker sores and what-not.

  I don't recommend Arm and Hammer because they do  not contain fluoride. If you don't want to use fluoride in any products, it's entirely up to you. It's not that it's bad but everyone can benefit from fluoride intake from time to time.

    2. Let your toothbrushes soak in a cup of peroxide
to keep them free of germs.


  If you simply tap the excess water from your toothbrush every night before you put it away, it will lessen the amount of bacteria on it. You can certainly use a bit of bleach and water (very, very diluted) every so often. Generally, toss out your brush after 3 months, less if your notice your bristles are getting that 'old looking' feeling. It's not that expensive to buy a new one.

    9. If you have a terrible toothache and cannot get to
a dentist right away, put a capful of 3% peroxide into
your mouth and hold it for ten minutes several times
a day. The pain will lessen greatly


  Be it as it may, your best course of action is to take Advil (or any other painkiller) and see your dentist as soon as possible. The pain will NEVER go away until you get it treated. It might lessen given time (the body tries to fix itself) but it will come back with vengence.      
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 20 08 10:42
Good tips there Lise.

  Had a dentist friend, who talked about this once, and said the benefit (aside from the obvious...get to a dentist) of a diluted peroxide rinse, was to stave off absess....which puts a damper on dental work.  Are there better alternatives.....of course....but I thought it was pretty good advice.  I mean, they're talking about 'If you can't get to a dentist immediately', advice.
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lise on Sep 21 08 09:22
That's why I'm not debating that idea when you can't see a dentist immediately. There are tons of dentists around and while they may not be your family dentist, you can still go see them. They are obligated to take you out of pain no matter what. They cannot deny you if you have a toothache. You can also go to hospital for emergency treatment if the pain is too much. I know that the VGH for example have a dental facility there.

  There are always options. I'm just.... well, to be honest, a tad leery when it comes to bleach in the mouth. Like I know how corrosive they can be. Just imagine - we use bleach for irrigation of the root canal to kill off nerves and to whiten enamels (enamel being the hardest material in your body). So to put bleach (no matter how diluted) on soft tissues makes me cringe.
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Michel on Sep 21 08 09:56
   
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 21 08 11:00
 [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #737373"]There are always options.[/FONT] I'm just.... well, to be honest, a tad leery when it comes to bleach in the mouth. Like I know how corrosive they can be. Just imagine - we use bleach for irrigation of the root canal to kill off nerves and to whiten enamels (enamel being the hardest material in your body). So to put bleach (no matter how diluted) on soft tissues makes me cringe.

  Absolutely Lise.

  So do you know what IS in toothwhiteners ?  And what is the dental professions opinion on them ?

   
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lil Me on Sep 21 08 03:59
I've cured canker sores by dabbing hydrogen peroxide on them with a Q-tip.  
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lise on Sep 21 08 07:44
Ouch, LM.... I would rather you use Oral Gel or some other medication instead. Even warm diluted salted water helps. Please, no more bleach!!! Yikes!

  I cannot speak for the dental community on tooth whiteners but I can give you my opinion. Tooth whitening contains baking podwer which they claim will whiten your teeth as you brush. I don't know about you but whitening while brushing just doesn't cut it. I feel that it's playing into giving one a false feeling that you can do this with a wave of your magic wand. Whitening will ONLY work if you whiten your teeth with the whitening products from your dental office and not via brushing with peroxide.

  It might change the shade of your teeth slightly 'whitish' but not by very much. I wouldn't buy tooth whitening for all the money in the world. In fact, my only toothpaste will have the stamp of approval from the College of Dental Surgeons and is plain as plain can be. No gimmicks, thank you very much.

  The same is applied to dental floss or mouth rinses that promises to whiten. If you look carefully at these whitening products, you might be hard pressed to find the College's stamp of approval on them.      
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: weird al on Sep 22 08 12:06
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 Hydrogen peroxide is not bleach

 It is a bleaching agent, as are sunlight, lemon juice etc., but is not bleach per se, like clorox or javex or what have you.

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Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lise on Sep 22 08 05:49
Well.... it's use is entirely up to you. It's safe to use in diluted form (according to the American Food and Drug Administration) but regardless it is still a form of acid abeit a weak one. I'm not sure if I can compare it to the same form as lemon juice or sunlight tho.
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 22 08 05:20
 weird al wrote:

 Hydrogen peroxide is not bleach

 It is a bleaching agent, as are sunlight, lemon juice etc., but is not bleach per se, like clorox or javex or what have you.

 

  That's sort of what I thought too weird al.  Peroxide is what is in teeth whiteners.

 You had me worried Lise, as we have rinsed with diluted peroxide since we were kids...so I thought I'd look into it.

 I have learned today, that teeth whiteners (both home kits and those used by a dentist) contain  peroxide...and that dentists not only don't think it's a bad idea to rinse with a diluted solution....many of them recommend it for benefits other than teeth whitening (according to the College of Dental Hygienists of BC)

 And the following is from the ADA.  (The BCDA and the CDSBC are tough to get any info from....but I suspect it can't be that different.)

 Professionally applied bleach whiteners
There are many professionally applied tooth whitening bleach products. These products use hydrogen peroxide in concentrations ranging from 15 percent to 35 percent and are sometimes used together with a light or laser, which the companies state accelerate or activate the whitening process. Prior to application of professional products, gum tissues are isolated either with a rubber dam or a protective gel. Whereas home-use products are intended for use over a two-to-four week period, the professional procedure is usually completed in about one hour.

 
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lise on Sep 22 08 08:54
P.C. wrote:

  That's sort of what I thought too weird al.  Peroxide is what is in teeth whiteners.

  You had me worried Lise, as we have rinsed with diluted peroxide since we were kids...so I thought I'd look into it.

 

 Well, what sort of teeth whiteners are we talking about here now? Are we talking about general teeth whiteners that are in toothpastes or mouthrinses or gums? I know Arms uses baking soda which is less corrosive and a better alternative to toothpaste with peroxide.

 If you've had no problems using diluted peroxide then go for it. However, I want to stress that for some individuals, they may experience effects like sensitivity in the gums due to its use.

 As far as I'm concern peroxide is corrosive no matter how diluted. It has to be if you're using to irrigate root canals, bleach one's hair, removing stains etc. Imagine using it on your tissues... it just makes me shudder.

 

 

 I have learned today, that teeth whiteners (both home kits and those used by a dentist) contain  peroxide...and that dentists not only don't think it's a bad idea to rinse with a diluted solution....many of them recommend it for benefits other than teeth whitening (according to the College of Dental Hygienists of BC)

 And the following is from the ADA.  (The BCDA and the CDSBC are tough to get any info from....but I suspect it can't be that different.)

 

 I have said that I'm not speaking on behalf of the dental community, it's just my opinion that using peroxide no matter how diluted is not a good thing. With new technology and new products out there, there are better alternative.

 

 Professionally applied bleach whiteners
There are many professionally applied tooth whitening bleach products. These products use hydrogen peroxide in concentrations ranging from 15 percent to 35 percent and are sometimes used together with a light or laser, which the companies state accelerate or activate the whitening process. Prior to application of professional products, gum tissues are isolated either with a rubber dam or a protective gel. Whereas home-use products are intended for use over a two-to-four week period, the professional procedure is usually completed in about one hour.


 

 Using teeth whiteners when done with professional guidance and the help of your dental team is safe and effective. It's not that I disagree with teeth whitening on teeth, it's the use of [FONT color=#ff0000]whitening products ON THE GUMS[/FONT] that I'm concerned with. Teeth whitening is safe when done properly (don't get me started on those take-home kits you buy at the store) but again, you're using bleach (and they're not diluted per se - they need to be somewhat concentrated to work - that's why it's recommended you do it in the dental office) and your enamel will tend to become soft during treatment.

 The use of rubber dam is to prevent the bleach from getting to your gums. Again, the corrosive attribute of the bleach plays a part here hence the isolation of the teeth using the dams. These days, dentists prefer using the ZOOM treatment which is dabbing bleach over your teeth and zapping them with a light curing device. You will see the results within a couple of hours. There are pros and cons to using this threatment but generally speaking, patients are quite happy with the results.

 
 
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 22 08 09:17
I'm not really touting teeth whitening products.  I was basically curious about the 'safety' of having peroxide in your mouth, and I figured it couldn't be bad if dentists used it in their whitening process in a relatively high concentrate.  If you can have 35% peroxide in your mouth....I'm thinkin 3% peroxide diluted would be ok. (?)  
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Michel on Sep 22 08 09:28
     
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Lise on Sep 23 08 05:57
Well, it's up to you if you still wish to continue using diluted peroxide in your mouth. I think dental professional might say it's OK and some will tell you to use otherwise. It's up to you to use it if you think it won't harm you.

  Let me just say again that when we put the whitening bleach, it's ON YOUR TEETH and we try not to put it on your gums due to its corrosive properties. We try not to get it on your gums as best as we can.

  And yes, just ask your dentist or dental team before using any whitening products.
Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: P.C. on Sep 23 08 06:15
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Title: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Bleach
Post by: Michel on Sep 23 08 07:08