what does everyone think about it?
Pretty scary. As long as they kill each other and harm no innocent bystanders, who really cares.
we all know though that, that doesn't happen and we'll see Boxing Day repeats.
Maybe maybe not. For all we know, it could've been house cleaning. Either way i look upon it as neighborhood beautification. Taking out the trash.
I got a bit of a chuckle at how the intro was worded on the news.
Something to the effect of "Our next story...what would you do if you were spending the evening at a local restaurant......"
[FONT size=4]It was 4:30 am for heavens sake !!![/FONT]
That's the media for you. Full of half truths, deception and sensationalism. Anything that sells.
this isn't the first shooting at this place. But yeah as the cops said yesterday anybody out at that time of night walking the streets is looking up for no good. That's when the gang activity is at its highest.
That said the Vancouver PD asked for Sam Sullivan to hire 75 more police for its 'gang squad' to fight gangs and he declined and still said weaseled out of an answer when a ctv reporter asked him why he didn't hire more cops.
Then the other problem is illegal guns. Where are they getting the guns? the US. How? By selling marjiuana. I believe last year BC Bud made 5 billion dollars last year. That's 5 billion dollars worth of guns that can be bought. You legalize marijuana, increase gang squad police, make gun crimes and offences some of the toughest in the world and the gangs will start to crumble.
That's true ripper.... they're not doing the city any favours by implying that everyone who goes out for an 'evening' dinner is at risk of being randomly gunned down. (well I suppose in reality, there's risk involved in everything, everywhere....but I mean come ON )
Once the sun goes down here I don't feel safe. So if I can feel safe until 4am in the morning. Although CTV went through all the killings at night in the past decade. Some poor guy who loved chinese food had a late night craving and went to a restaurant tried to stop a robbery and was shot to death.
I think to me 'late' is leaving a place to go home at 2am. That's when I see the most movement of people driving around when I'm working. 12am-2am. After that the cars stop and its either workers or cops and drunks driving around.
*waiving arms over head, making 2 victory signs with fingers as a good loser, smiling stupidly with pride*
It's my neibourghood !!! lol
awesome!
did you go to the place to eat before? I find that when crimes happen in neighbourhoods I've lived in it feels weird walking by or going to the place after the crime.
Not that place in particular, I'm quite new here, I recognized it on TV, saw the French Center La Boussole nearby, thats all, but I often passed there by car.
I drove by there on the way home yesterday around the dinner hour. It was still taped off. This morning I passed again and there is a police car out front with the restaurant still taped off. Nothing has been boarded up ---- broken glass everywhere. I guess they are still investigating. I would hate to live in that neighbourhood. It is know to be a bad area.
I'll say it again and again, we NEED TOUGHER GUN CONTROL, damnit!!! How many victims have to due because we don't have tougher gun control?
That part of town is pretty bad. Then again, you're not exactly safe wherever you are if they choose to come in and shoot the crap outta you.
I hate guns. Period. They have no place in human history.
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well these are illegal guns. from marijuana trade with the US gangs.
We have too much of a marijuana problem here. I see it everywhere in the streets of Vancouver, even exchanges being done right in front of our children. Easy access. I don't know what else can be done. It's so rampant, so huge a problem that nothing much can be done.
well I'm in the legalization camp because
A) Pot is the drug dealers key to the house then they push other drugs on the teens getting them hooked. You take that away with legalization.
B) Illegal gun trade would drop because that's how all the gangs are getting these weapons from trading pot for assualt weapons with the US gangs.
People drink outside and get drunk, here people smoke everywhere. You can't out right ban something because that doesn't work it only creates organized crime. see Prohibition.
You legalize
Increase funding and add more cops on the street
stiffen gun offences
gangs will start to choke to death.
....not to mention all those new tax dollars.
yup. Pot made something like 5 billion dollars last year and that money didn't go to fund new skytrain lines.
I am all for decriminalization. I am not sure about legalization. That would be giving our joke of a government too much credit for thinking they will actually create a system that will work.
Weed is not a bad thing anyways. For me, I would rather see more people smoking blunts than getting shitfaced on whiskey with all the fighting and puking. Weed chills out folks. Weed is not crack either. Has anywone ever heard of a lot of violence involved with the New Amsterdam cafe?
As for the shooting, whatever, shootings happen. Gun control won't prevent gang bangers from using guns.
meant decriminalization. lol
but I'm looking at this as a safety issue. These gangs only exist because of the weed, they have guns because of the weed. You've got to take away the gravy train before you can go after the gangs. What will the gangs do to get there guns? heroin? cocaine? lol US has Mexico for that.
tougher border screening also well stop the guns but those measures are only band aids.
This isn't rocket science. Mafias in the US lost their power the instant prohibition ended.
US didn't end prohibition because of people wanting beer. lol
They stopped because the US was spending too much money going after the mob and they realized they can't win, unless, they go after the product that made the mafia money. In this case it was moonshine and beer. Prohibition ended and it was open season on the mafia folks.
I know I could use a spliff right now! Kidding...again..stuck in the 90s....
Part of the problem is that many Chinese resturants only take cash. This makes them targets of robbery.
Hey JJ, this wasn't a simple robbery... the two gunmen targeted a table of patrons.
[A href="http://www.virtualvancouver.com/news/news-50.html"]Police fear retaliatory shootings[/A] in response to Thursday's shooting. I think that we should better fund the cops so that they can have more officers in the Gang violence squad. I also think our laws should be better enforced and the courts shouldn't be lenient on gang members or drug traffickers.
Good to stay away from east van chinese restaurants !
Devil wrote:
As for the shooting, whatever, shootings happen. Gun control won't prevent gang bangers from using guns.[/DIV]
But it's a start. You can make it harder for criminals to get access to guns. Do something to deter access to guns. Anything! Rather than not doing anything about it just restrict guns to those who can use them, like the law enforcers.
Gee. I think we've covered this ground before. TehBorken will probably say more on this issue.
this is an illegal gun issue Lise. The only way to stop these gangs from getting these guns are
A) tougher border screening
B) decriminalization of marijuana
C) more funding for police gang departments
D) tougher gun sentences
E) tougher gang related crimes
wouldn't be surprise if the shooters are already back in Toronto. Thats what happens here, the killers return to NY after killing in SF
49er wrote:
wouldn't be surprise if the shooters are already back in Toronto. Thats what happens here, the killers return to NY after killing in SF[/DIV]
That's so true. Tongs and Triads like to import hitters from other areas. Makes it harder to trace.
Lise wrote:
But it's a start. You can make it harder for criminals to get access to guns. Do something to deter access to guns. Anything! Rather than not doing anything about it just restrict guns to those who can use them, like the law enforcers.
Gee. I think we've covered this ground before. TehBorken will probably say more on this issue.
I don't think the gov't is committed to any form of gun control... just look at the gun registry fiasco... millions wasted and then in the end the whole thing was scrapped.
of course they're not because there will always be some party playing to someone's special interest and not the whole country's interest as a whole.
rural vs. urban divide.