The Good Morning Thread

Started by DDD, Apr 21 10 08:57

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Orik

Morning Gopher. DDD Natasha and everyone else on DS today. I hope every one else's day is stress free.
 
  Now then Natasha

I do not worry so much any  more about my souls finding eternal rest. I either will or I won't. What  comes here after is then. This is now. The only thing my 2 mates will  need to assist in, is getting the sail boat as I requested. As for the  rest accidents can and do happen, my life wont be on any one else's  hands but mine from that point forward.  
 
  I believe a person has a right to go out as they choose, so long as they  do not harm any one else when they take there own life by harm I mean  physically not emotionally. There will always be those who are going to  have some emotional pain or attachment and can not accept what has  happened.
 
  Sometimes things in life prevent you from doing it yourself my parents  can not accept this the first time I brought it up with them. They  refused which is there right. My brother was dead set against it also,  finally he came around to see that I was right it is my life and my  choice. I am sorry that it sounds like you can not accept it either.  Some can, Some can not. When  a person is born they had no real choice  in that matter, most of us have no choice in the method of our own  deaths.

For now I wake up and I am thankful to be alive, to still be able to move and have my freedom. However one day will come where I can no longer do so freely, when the pain will become so much that the medications will make me a prisoner of my own body and to me that is a living nightmare. For now I still have the freedom  of almost full mobility even if my body does not always do what I would want it to and will continue to enjoy my life until the day I no longer can.
 
  I like to think some countries and people have learned to recognize that  suicide and assisted suicide aka euthanasia are viable options and that  is is a personal choice and can be beneficial for some. Some people are  very tired of the living hell they are in. When you live with constant  pain 24 hrs a day 7 days a week.  When your own body becomes a prison  and your thoughts constantly go to that thought of how death will be a  welcome relief.
 
  Sleep is often like death. When the lights go out they are out. I have a  feeling death is just the beginning of the rest of our lives. I will  see what is on the other side when I get there. If my death is to  someday be by my own hand. Well then it will be at my own choosing the  time, the place and the method. mind that is still a day far off God  willing. If it is by my own hand one day so be it.
 
  I pray that is still away in the future. It probably wont ever come to  my taking my own life but I like knowing that I can have that option. it  would be better if it was not still illegal to do so. I pray the  Canadian government can also come to realize Suicide is a choice.
 
  What ever method a person does chose to go out they should have the  right to die with dignity and be respected for there choice. They should  also have an option to choose some one to be there second if they are  not able to do it themselves. they should have the right to have someone  to assist them on there final exit. The Japanese have a second when  they commit Seppuku - Ritual Suicide. [font style="font-family: Arial Narrow; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);" size="3"]In Japanese that was the kaishaku   (kie-shah-kuu), or assistant, who was responsible for cutting off the head  after the person had sliced his abdomen open. The second is generally a  close friend or  associate. [/font]I see nothing wrong with having some one to assist me  if I need it.
 
 
  Some further information. A bit out of date.
 
  [a href="vny!://www.internationaltaskforce.org/rpt2005_3.htm"]Assisted  Suicide & Death with Dignity[/a]
 
  [a href="vny!://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-137271139.html"]Death over  the counter[/a]
 
  Belgium and the Netherlands are the only countries  in Europe that have legalized euthanasia. Nevertheless, the drive  toward legalized euthanasia is taking place in other countries with  varying degrees of success.
   
   France, the government and the parliamentary majority refused to  legalize active euthanasia but last year passed a law allowing doctors  to interrupt care to a dying patient under certain conditions.
   
   The Sotgwpdt government of Spain is considering legalizing euthanasia,  especially since the pro-euthanasia film "Mar Adentro" by Alejandro  Amenabar played to wide public success.
   
   Switzerland allows assisted suicide; assisted suicide differs from  euthanasia in that the physician only provides the person with the means  of committing suicide. As a consequence, Switzerland has seen an  upswing in "suicide tourism," with citizens of other nations traveling  to the Alpine country to end their lives,
   
   Earlier this year, a bill was introduced in the British House of Lords  that would authorize "assisted dying:" which covers both assisted  suicide and euthanasia. The House of Lords recommended that the bill be  debated in the next parliamentary session."
   
   "In the United States, physician-assisted suicide is legal only in the  state of Oregon, while euthanasia is not legal in any state."
                   [h3 class="reference"]Source(s):[/h3]            [div class="reference"][a href="vny!://www.internationaltaskforce.org/" rel="nofollow"]vny!://www.internationaltaskforce.org[/a]
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   [div class="rellink relarticle mainarticle"] [a href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada" title="Euthanasia in Canada"]Euthanasia in Canada[/a][/div]    Suicide is not a crime in Canada, but physician-assisted suicide is  considered illegal.[sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"][a href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide#cite_note-4"][span][/span][span][/span][/a][/sup][/p]    The Criminal Code of Canada states in section 241(b) that[/p]    [blockquote] Every one who ....(b) aids or abets a person to commit suicide, whether  suicide ensues or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable  to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years"[sup id="cite_ref-Kluge_5-0" class="reference"][a href="vny!://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide#cite_note-Kluge-5"][span][/span][span][/span][/a][/sup][/p]   [/blockquote]  The reason behind its illegality is due to prevent people from  'assisting in suicide' of those that are not mentally capable of making  the decision and because of the "value that society place on human life"  which "in the eyes of the law makers, might easily be eroded if  assistance in committing suicide were to be decriminalized
   
 There is a long road ahead and each person has to come to figure out  where they stand on the issue of euthanasia, you all already know my  opinion on this matter.

As I like to say everyday above ground is a good one. Thankful to be alive for one more day.
    [/div]  
Never give up Never surrender Fight with ur last breath Fight 2 live & Fight 2 survive. Never say never & never say die. There comes a time when all will die A time we transcend & attain our place afterlife. My Fight is not yet done, I'm tired & I'd like to go home, But I'm not ready to go just yet.

Gopher

I hope it's the same on other planets too.
A fool's paradise is better than none.

Natasha

Orik wrote:
The only thing my 2 mates will  need to assist in, is getting the sail boat as I requested. As for the  rest accidents can and do happen, my life wont be on any one else's  hands but mine from that point forward.  
They are still assisting you. They are only doing the lesser of the crime.

  I believe a person has a right to go out as they choose,

 I agree so long as it is in an extreme case. If you believe you're going to be murdered, how will you go? Fighting for your life or will just hand them your life? Suicide may be a choice but IMO it's a weak way to go.

  so long as they do not harm any one else when they take there own life

 So what if as time goes by they admit they assisted you in your suicide. You don't think those claims will be investigated? If they are investigated and found to be true, wont your friends do time for their part in your death? Isn't chancing this a form of harming someone else?

 by harm I mean  physically not emotionally. There will always be those who are going to  have some emotional pain or attachment and can not accept what has  happened.
You forgot mentally. Do you honestly believe your "friends" will never second guess their decision and effort?  Physical pain heals. Emotional pains teaches. Mental pain burdens us with guilt which can be hard to deal with.

 
I am sorry that it sounds like you can not accept it either.  

 You have no need to be sorry for my point of view on the issue. I believe in fighting for your life. I believe one should try to go with dignity. Suicide is a sign of weakness ..imo. If anything, it's I who feels sorry for you.

 When  a person is born they had no real choice in that matter, most of us have no choice in the method of our own  deaths.
All I'm getting from everything you say on the issue is that, suicide is a choice... well, that's a given. But don't make it seem justified. Don't sugar coat what the choice really is. You say you aren't worried about your soul finding eternal peace but yet you've mentioned praying for this and that. Why pray? You're willing to take the easy way out. You're willing to wrongfully involve two innocent people and you're not worried about your afterlife... why pray?

 I like to think some countries and people have learned to recognize that  suicide and assisted suicide aka euthanasia are viable options and that  is is a personal choice and can be beneficial for some.

 Some countries may but unless you live in one of those countries then assisting in someones suicide is murder. I will never believe suicide is a viable option. There are people who commit suicide because their lover left them, they lost their job..etc. Some people do not have the ability to make a sound safe decision intelligently. Some allow their emotions to over ride all senses and rashionality. Those people should not be given the option of a care free or assisted suicide.

  If it is by my own hand one day so be it.
 And if we ever hear of it, I'll pray for your family for I believe losing someone to muder, some who's life was taken early in years or losing someone due to suicide is a much harder grief to bear.


I pray the Canadian government can also come to realize Suicide is a choice.
Everyone already knows suicide is a choice. That's why is called suicide. As I said some people are over emotional beings and as soon as something doesn't go their way, they become suicidal. Some get over it, some do not. It would be odd to have the government say "you can commit suicide under these conditions. But first you have under go a screening process to make sure you're suicidal thoughts/feelings are justified".    

 
 What ever method a person does chose to go out they should have the  right to die with dignity and be respected for there choice. They should  also have an option to choose some one to be there second if they are  not able to do it themselves.

 So you want suicide to be a fair option that will hold dignity and respect? But yet, "some one to be there second if they are  not able to do it themselves."  Umm why should I respect their decision or feel they died in a dignified manner?

 they should have the right to have someone  to assist them on there final exit.

 And they do. For me, it's God and my family being by my side. For others it's who ever or what ever they believe in.

 The Japanese have a second when  they commit Seppuku - Ritual Suicide. [FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial Narrow; COLOR: rgb(17,17,17)" size=3]In Japanese that was the kaishaku   (kie-shah-kuu), or assistant, who was responsible for cutting off the head  after the person had sliced his abdomen open. [/FONT]

 [FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial Narrow; COLOR: rgb(17,17,17)" size=3]That's gross.[/FONT]

  I see nothing wrong with having some one to assist me if I need it.
 You don't see anything wrong with it because you're in a desperate, hard and frustrating situation which we all feel bad about for you.
 

There is a long road ahead and each person has to come to figure out  where they stand on the issue of euthanasia, you all already know my  opinion on this matter.
Yes sir and you all clearly know mine. So far as I'm concerned there's nothing left to discuss.

 As I like to say everyday above ground is a good one.

 I wouldn 't say that as not everyone who dies gets buried.

 Thankful to be alive for one more day.

 Now this I can agree with  =)  

 
   

   
   

DDD

Good Morning all another great day to be here in Vancouver................

    To be dead is over rated
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

P.C.

 Natasha wrote:  [strong style="font-style: italic;"]Physical pain heals.[/b]  Emotional pains teaches. Mental pain burdens us with guilt


[span style="font-weight: normal;"]I like that Natasha. [/span]
[span style="font-weight: normal;"][/span]
 
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

DDD

P.C. wrote:
[SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Natasha wrote:  [/SPAN][STRONG style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Physical pain heals.[/b][SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]  Emotional pains teaches. Mental pain burdens us with guilt[/SPAN]


[SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal"]I like that Natasha. [/SPAN]
[img border=0 src="/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/14.gif"] [SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal"][/SPAN]
 
 I 2nd that
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

Orik

And the pain a person lives with everyday as there body gets weaker and weaker as they slowly become entombed in a living crypt what of that pain... there is some pains and illnesses that are slow and painful to endure. Sickness's i would not wish on my worst enemies.

People die everyday. other people will never know Sickness or disease other people will watch loved ones slowly eaten away from the inside out and watch them die a slow & horrendously painful death. others will Die a slow painful death.

There is few choices Medicated to the nines, So you end up stoned out of your head so you do not even know your own name or the state of reality you will still die but you wont be aware of it.. Non-medicated but you know who you are but you are in pain. When the medications I take stop working or if  I need so much drugs  just to stop the pain and my body ceases to work when I tell it to, then will be my time to check out.

As it is there is very little medications i can take now to stop the neropathic pain. that is nerve pain. Imagine spilling a cup of boiling hot tea you get burnt but the pain stops after a second. The nerve pain I have feels like that, but it does not always stop it. Sometimes the pain lasts for hours and the very strong doses of pain medications I take do very little to help.

They will alleviate it a little bit If I take higher doses, but the problem with that is I spend the day sleeping Or I am out of it. So out of it  I do not know my surroundings. My choices suck.. I live with the pain and make the best of it.  Only a few more days and i will be back in to the hospital after that Hindi ko alam. (I don't know) I  know this much I will not survive long after that. I hate hospitals. Hate Hate Hate them.
 
Never give up Never surrender Fight with ur last breath Fight 2 live & Fight 2 survive. Never say never & never say die. There comes a time when all will die A time we transcend & attain our place afterlife. My Fight is not yet done, I'm tired & I'd like to go home, But I'm not ready to go just yet.

Natasha

Thank you PC and D.

  Orik, I honestly do understand what you're saying and I understand your reasoning. I just believe in helping others fight for their lives not end it. I think if a person wants to commit suicide then they should bear that choice and that action on their own.

DDD

OK ffs this is The Good Morning thread not lets off yourself thread

      GOOD MORNING ALL
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

P.C.

Good morning DDD.  Looks like it's going to be another glorious day. [img border=0 src="vny!://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/14.gif"]  
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

DDD

P.C. wrote:
 Good morning DDD.  Looks like it's going to be another glorious day. [img border=0 src="vny!://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/14.gif"]

 
 and a good day to you...........it is so nice out :)

    cabin time this weekend can hardly wait
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

Natasha

DDD wrote:
 OK ffs this is The Good Morning thread not lets off yourself thread

      GOOD MORNING ALL [/DIV]
 What's wrong with offing yourself? When it's been a while you do what you gotta do.

DDD

Natasha wrote:
DDD wrote:
 OK ffs this is The Good Morning thread not lets off yourself thread

      GOOD MORNING ALL [/DIV]
 What's wrong with offing yourself? When it's been a while you do what you gotta do.[/DIV]
 LOL............thats not what i was talking about and yes thats ok all the time imo

  Good Morning DS and Vancouver has cooled down today but will be hot again soon..........
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

Natasha

DDD wrote:
 LOL............thats not what i was talking about and yes thats ok all the time imo

  Really?! For once that's not what you were talking about.. lol There's hope for you yet, young man. Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone.


 

DDD

Natasha wrote:
DDD wrote:
 LOL............thats not what i was talking about and yes thats ok all the time imo

  Really?! For once that's not what you were talking about.. lol There's hope for you yet, young man.

Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone.


 
 It is [STRIKE]not [/STRIKE]allways about sex you know

  Good Morning DS and all others......................What a great day out in Vancouver, BC

  Have a great weekend Tasha
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!

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