Bubble Tea

P.C. · Jun 27 08 11:17

I don't care what my passport says.

I don't care what your passport says either. Let me ask you two simple questions. Where were you born.....where have you lived your whole life. I don't even have a passport, yet I know where I was born and where I live. And if I should move to Missouri tomorrow, I will still be Canadian.

'Middle America' doesn't see the West Coast as part of America that's the whole point.

Is this different than the cultural differences in PEI or Newfoundland as opposed to the west coast ? I don't think so.

Sportsdude · Jun 27 08 11:30

PEI doesn't have an ingrained hatred toward Newfoundland where they despise them, have a cultural movement in the 70s to attack everything that is Newfoundlandish. That's what happened here. It's like being a Liberal in Alberta.

Being born in a country or a place doesn't make you who you are. I wasn't born American. Being American is something like in every other culture (like being Canadian, German, British etc) is learned through time. As a prominent journalist here in the states has written a book about the downfall of America. He considers himself an American, because he wasn't born in America, he chose to live in the US. He was interviewed a Fox News personality who accused him of being a traitor for writing a book about the coming end of the US empire. That's what his respone was that being American is something you chose to be.
I have the utmost respect for my grandparents. They chose to live here. Do they consider themselves Hungarians or Germans? No. Even though they were born in that country.
Being born in America doesn't make me American. Its a choice and its a culture that you learn. I don't consider myself American based on these principals and anyone who says 'but you were born in America' is just playing off of the idea of identification through nationalism.

P.C. · Jun 27 08 11:45

Being born in a country or a place doesn't make you who you are. I wasn't born American. Being American is something like in every other culture (like being Canadian, German, British etc) is learned through time. As a prominent journalist here in the states has written a book about the downfall of America. He considers himself an American, because he wasn't born in America, he chose to live in the US. He was interviewed a Fox News personality who accused him of being a traitor for writing a book about the coming end of the US empire. That's what his respone was that being American is something you chose to be.
I have the utmost respect for my grandparents. They chose to live here. Do they consider themselves Hungarians or Germans? No. Even though they were born in that country.
Being born in America doesn't make me American. Its a choice and its a culture that you learn. I don't consider myself American based on these principals and anyone who says 'but you were born in America' is just playing off of the idea of identification through nationalism.

No...being born in a country or place doesn't make you who you are. Character makes you who you are. But being born in a country or place DOES establish your nationality. You don't have to like it, but it is so. You are suggesting that I could decide to call myself Norwegian.....just because I might want it to be so.....but it doesn't make it so. The prominent journalist can call himself whatever he chooses....as can I, as can you.....that doesn't change what's real.

Being born in America DOES make you American. It's not about choice or culture....it simply defines the nation in which you were born.

Sportsdude · Jun 27 08 11:57

P.C. wrote:
[em][/em]No...being born in a country or place doesn't make you who you are. Character makes you who you are. But being born in a country or place DOES establish your nationality. You don't have to like it, but it is so. You are suggesting that I could decide to call myself Norwegian.....just because I might want it to be so.....but it doesn't make it so. The prominent journalist can call himself whatever he chooses....as can I, as can you.....that doesn't change what's real.

Being born in America DOES make you American. It's not about choice or culture....it simply defines the nation in which you were born.

So you're saying to all immigrants who were born somewhere else that moved to the US or Canada are not Canadians or Americans? What about people born in concentration camps, army bases in other countries or people born in international waters? They become whatever country they lived to represent. It's a culture, even the name of the country. Made up by humans, not real or significant other then used for sorting purposes.

I was born in a place they call Missouri or the US or whatever. It doesn't mean I am those things or represent those things or want to be known as these names.

P.C. · Jun 28 08 12:06

So you're saying to all immigrants who were born somewhere else that moved to the US or Canada are not Canadians or Americans? What about people born in concentration camps, army bases in other countries or people born in international waters? They become whatever country they lived to represent. It's a culture, even the name of the country. Made up by humans, not real or significant other then used for sorting purposes.

I was born in a place they call Missouri or the US or whatever. It doesn't mean I am those things or represent those things or want to be known as these names.

I am saying.....I was born in Canada.....that makes me Canadian. You were born in the United States....that makes you American. You can make it more complicated if it makes you feel better....but you're still American. That isn't a statement about your beliefs....it just is what it is.

What exactly do you think you are ? Do you think you just get to pick ?

I don't have a clue where you're coming from.

Sportsdude · Jun 28 08 12:11

You're putting a tag on me. Stop trying to sort people by where they are born. Being born in the US doesn't make someone American. Neither does someone born in Canada make them Canadian.

P.C. · Jun 28 08 12:18

You're putting a tag on me. Stop trying to sort people by where they are born. Being born in the US doesn't make someone American. Neither does someone born in Canada make them Canadian.

You're being absurd. If you are not American what are you ? If you answer European, and I say you are European, would I be putting 'a tag' on you? And THAT coming out of you is rich.

I'm not sorting anything SD....stop being ridiculous.

*and being born in Canada DOES make me Canadian.

Sportsdude · Jun 28 08 12:25

I'm nothing. Nationalism is silly. If you want to 'peg' me as something then you could go to the ethnic group I belong to, but that too is something that is made up and anybody can be, because being part of a made up group (ethnicity) or culture is something that is learned.

P.C. · Jun 28 08 12:29

I'm nothing. Nationalism is silly. [FONT color=#ff0000]If you want to 'peg' me [/FONT][FONT color=#000000]as [/FONT]something then you could go to the ethnic group I belong to, but that too is something that is made up and anybody can be, because being part of a made up group (ethnicity) or culture is something that is learned.

Enough with the BS.

Sportsdude · Jun 28 08 12:38

How is it BS you're calling me American because I happened to be born in this idea that being 'American' is something that is within this defined place as if you couldn't be American if you weren't born in it when these borders were defined through political reasons. The fact is we are humans, nationalities don't supersede this.

Lise · Jun 28 08 05:59

Sportsdude wrote:
You're putting a tag on me. Stop trying to sort people by where they are born. Being born in the US doesn't make someone American. Neither does someone born in Canada make them Canadian.

OMG. What kinda logic is that? Of course being born in a country of origin makes you that citizen! I'll always be Malaysian because it's my country of origin but my new home is Canada so it also makes me Canadian. Why not be proud of your heritage?

At any rate, to return to bubble tea. PC - suggest you check out your Chinatown. I'm pretty sure I saw a couple of places that sells bubble tea. I think there's a place at the edge of Chinatown..... Johnson Street or something like that. It's across this place that sells ice cream but am not too sure. Just ask around and see.

Suggest that you try and get FRESH FRUIT (any kind) bceause they're much superior against the powder type.

P.C. · Jun 28 08 06:10

Thanks Lise. I definitely don't think I'll be heading to Victoria to get one. There are a few places in Nanaimo and a couple in Courtenay (I think). Is it cold, is it hot, is it frozen ? (I'm a total noob at this)

P.C. · Jun 28 08 06:14

Lise wrote: OMG. What kinda logic is that? Of course being born in a country of origin makes you that citizen! I'll always be Malaysian because it's my country of origin but my new home is Canada so it also makes me Canadian. Why not be proud of your heritage?

SD has gone off his rocker. I actually think that nationality and heritage are different things. Nationality simply identifies which nation you were born in. Heritage would take in your family background ? Culture would define how you live. SD has some notion that nationality defines who you are.

Sportsdude · Jun 28 08 12:58

I miss bubble tea.

It took Germany and its descendants 61 years to finally be proud of themselves in public (2006 World Cup, it was finally okay to say that you were German). It will take me at least that much to be proud of where I was born, not until we pay for our war crimes, our secret prisons of torture, wars of aggression, acts of terrorism, jingoism and imperialism. We have blood on our hands, elected governments represent the voice of the people, therefore we are responsible for all the bloodshed.

Lil Me · Jun 28 08 07:47

So...uh, back to the topic at hand...how does everyone like their bubble tea?

I like black tea, fruit flav (pineapple or mango) and half sugar.
Or..for a smoothie, pina colada, full sugar.