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[Gadfly]

Adam_Fulford wrote:
 Some of you are aware that DV banned me from posting there.  At first, it disconcerted me, but I'm really glad that they, for whatever misguided reasons, blocked me from posting there.  It is a cesspool of tired topics such as "Who is Your Favorite Porn Star?".  Now, I don't have to deal with handle-jackers trying to smear my name.  If anybody does post with my name at DV, you'll know it is fake since I can't post there. When Purelife asked if I wanted to be unbanned from DV, I said, "No."  I'd rather not have to sic lawyers on identity thieves, though I wouldn't be shy to do so.  Instead, I can enjoy Discover Seattle, a forum that has attracted refreshingly creative and intelligent people, and relatively few ditto-heads.  [/DIV]
 I think DV banned me too - well, if being banned means that you can send in messages which don't appear. I also feel it no great loss as the content (especially since Christmas) had been becoming more and more juvenile by the minute.  

[Trollio]

They're doing something, or trying to do something at DV. Sometimes my posts get through, sometimes they don't. They could be using timers or limits on the number of posts, but whatever it is, it seems uneven.
 
 For example, I've got some kind of block on me, but other people are just posting away with all kinds of things that are just as bad as what I wrote over there. Neither my user names or the IP seems to be banned. Other trollish types have sort of disappeared as well, but others remain. They don't seem to have a method, but I never expected them to anyway.
 
 The difference here is that you know what you're dealing with, and you have moderators who don't make it worthwhile for a troll.
 
 I'm a text troll, not a tech troll. In otherwords, I'm not interested in messing with the forum itself, but I have thrown many bombs in what I say. As you can see, I have promised to behave here.
 
 
   

[tmapj]

news wrote:
People think they're anonymous on the net, but nothing could be further from the truth. Even using a proxy server doesn't really protect someone, because all that stuff can be traced. Live in another country? That's really no protection these days. In fact, using a proxy server helps the police make their case because it shows an intent to hide your identity. Couple that with malicious behavior and you're on your way to an expensive trial, whether you're convicted or not. Some of the people that have been getting away with this stuff are in for a big surprise, the RCMP and the american authorities are a lot further along than any of you realize.

   Could you please explain to me how they would trace that?

[Trollio]

Before we start down the long highway on this subject, take a look at [a href="vny!://discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=76728"]this link[/a] for context.
 
 It's about police in the US doing the same things on their own message board that DV says is no longer allowed on theirs.
 
 Your technical question is kind of easy. It all depends on what you're doing. Even using proxies, somebody (in this case the proxy) is recording what you're doing. If the cops show up at the anonymous proxy ISP and say "User X is using your cloak to distribute live stream kiddie porn", the proxy ISP (if they are at all human beings) will give User X up like a birthday present.
 
 Other countries make it harder sometimes, but this thing called the internet is all connected together. If they really need to get you, or if nothing else find out who you are, they almost always can.
 
 The symbiotic relationship between DV and DS is fascinating. It's almost as if no one realizes that you're in two different countries.
   

[TehBorken]

 tmapj wrote:  Could you please explain to me how they would trace that?

It's called a subpoena, and they work quite well. Don't expect any ISP or web site operator to go to jail on your behalf, they'll give the police everything they want as soon as the subpoena hits their desk. Even proxies in unfriendly foreign countries (China, Korea, etc) can now be traced with a nifty little trick called "action correlation".

[tmapj]

Trollio wrote:
Before we start down the long highway on this subject, take a look at [A href="vny!://discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=76728"]this link[/A] for context.

It's about police in the US doing the same things on their own message board that DV says is no longer allowed on theirs.

Your technical question is kind of easy. It all depends on what you're doing. Even using proxies, [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]somebody[/SPAN] (in this case the proxy) is recording what you're doing. If the cops show up at the anonymous proxy ISP and say "User X is using your cloak to distribute live stream kiddie porn", the proxy ISP (if they are at all human beings) will give User X up like a birthday present.

Other countries make it harder sometimes, but this thing called the internet is all connected together. If they really need to get you, or if nothing else find out who you are, they almost always can.

The symbiotic relationship between DV and DS is [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]fascinating. [/SPAN]It's almost as if no one realizes that you're in two different countries.
 
 [FONT size=5]I dont mean to be rude but I really don't see what that article had to do with my question.[/FONT]

  Also, In order for proxy admin to give up user X, they need to have recorded his IP address. Unfortunately, though (or so I thought) most proxies do not keep IP logs. Furthermore, most hackers connect through multiple proxies, dramatically reducing the chances that they can be traced.

[tmapj]

TehBorken wrote:
tmapj wrote:   [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Could you please explain to me how they would trace that?[/SPAN]

It's called a subpoena, and they work quite well. Don't expect any ISP or web site operator to go to jail on your behalf, they'll give the police everything they want as soon as the subpoena hits their desk. Even proxies in unfriendly foreign countries (China, Korea, etc) can now be traced with a nifty little trick called "action correlation".
[/DIV]
 Last time I checked subpoenas had no power in Sudan, Hungary, China etc. so why do they provide any information?

And as far as ISPs go; there's something called rotate13 and base64 encoding.

[Trollio]

  tmapj wrote:
[em][/em][font style="font-style: italic;" size="3"]I dont mean to be rude but I really don't see what that article had to do with my question.[/font]  
Why do you think you have been "banned" from DV? I know why I would be knocked off, but I don't understand why others who have done much worse are not affected.
 
 Also, In order for proxy admin to give up user X, they need to have recorded his IP address. Unfortunately, though (or so I thought) most proxies do not keep IP logs. Furthermore, most hackers connect through multiple proxies, dramatically reducing the chances that they can be traced.
 Heh heh... OK... don't count on that.  
 

[Trollio]

 tmapj wrote:

 [div style="font-style: italic;"]Last time I checked subpoenas had no power in Sudan, Hungary, China etc. so why do they provide any information?[/div] [div style="font-style: italic;"]And as far as ISPs go; there's something called rotate13 and base64 encoding.[/div]
 [span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);"]Good lord, you really are tenacious. What exactly are you trying to post over there? And just for the hell of it, I'll at least attempt to ask what name you use there?[/span]
 

[TehBorken]

  tmapj wrote:
 Last time I checked subpoenas had no power in Sudan, Hungary, China etc. so why do they provide any information?

They don't have to. Research "action correlation" and you'll see why. I suspect you won't find much on it, but if you know where to look...



And as far as ISPs go; there's something called rotate13 and base64 encoding.

Again, a lot of this is irrelevant now to some degree. They don't necessarily need to track all the stuff they used to. The way action correlation works is they look at "what happens when" and use it to connect the dots.

If they observe you flicking a light switch up and down and also observe your porch light going on and off, they don't need to trace the wires back to the power plant to make a connection between your actions and the light going on and off. It's being used to track actions through IP-opaque countries and proxies. Server records are not needed except as confirmation.

 

[Gadfly]

Has ANYONE been informed of why they're banned from DV? I still haven't a clue. Some enlightenment would be useful.