Women loses frozen embryos fight

P.C. · Mar 08 06 10:55

I'm not in favour of the choice to bring a child into the world 'fatherless' in such a deliberate manner.[/DIV]I know there is a huge population of single moms and dads out there for a lot of unavoidable reasons, that are great parents.....so it's not a comment AGAINST single parenthood.[/DIV]It's the selective deliberate-ness (?) of 'lab children' that bothers me.

P.C. · Mar 08 06 10:57

There's just something fundamentally wrong with asking someone to allow his child to be brought into the world after he's dead. It seems kinds selfish to me....for both the child and the father.

TehBorken · Mar 08 06 11:14

P.C. wrote:
It's the selective deliberate-ness (?) of 'lab children' that bothers me.

Yup, me too. I can't pin down exactly what it is, but it just seems wrong in some way.

[div style="font-style: italic;"]There's just something fundamentally wrong with asking someone to allow his child to be brought into the world after he's dead. It seems kinds selfish to me....for both the child and the father.[/div]
Yeah, it's a little creepy, if ya ask me. Deliberately bringing a child into the world with just one parent is a bad move for everyone in my opinion. There are lots of good single parents out there; I like to think I'm one. But the fact is that all things being equal, children do better in every measurable way when they have two parents in their lives.

tenkani · Mar 08 06 11:25

Thanks guys. I was having trouble putting it into words but you've done it for me.

My friend told his wife no, but she couldn't understand his hesitation.

I think artificial insemination is fantastic for good parents (or potentially good parents) who are biologically unable to have kids. It gets a little sketchy though, when we're talking about people who already have given birth to a bunch of kids and are just having trouble finding someone who wants to be a daddy to more.

I am a firm believer that some people actually become addicted to the process of giving birth. I've heard a few women express the same feeling, although they didn't use the word addiction. Parenting is a lovely thing, if done right. But someone who willingly turns themself into a lifelong brood mare...I don't know, it makes me uncomfortable.

P.C. · Mar 08 06 11:28

I did the single parent thing too TehBorken.....and there ARE good single parents out there. I was trying to be very careful around that. I bet there's not a very high percentage of them that wouldn't agree that a two parent family would be their first choice. BUT none of them deliberately made the choice to be in that situation.

perpetual · Mar 08 06 11:32

This is fascinating stuff. Basically all men should be cowering in fear their jizz can be used to procreate with or without their consent whether it be under the guise of a fantastic blow job or an ex-wife.

Men, if you don't want this happening to you, get yourselves to the urologist and either get a vasectomy or an IVD! Also, in your living wills, have it written that you do not want your jizz harvested.

tenkani · Mar 08 06 11:36

Hiya Academe. Are you still mad at me?[/DIV]Did you block everyone's private messages or just mine? *cry*

perpetual · Mar 08 06 11:41

tenkani wrote:
Hiya Academe. Are you still mad at me?[/DIV]Did you block everyone's private messages or just mine? *cry*[/DIV] [/DIV]All is good tenkypoo...

I shut off that "send private message" function for everyone. My apologies if you tried to send some porn my way.

TehBorken · Mar 08 06 01:14

perpetualacademe wrote:
Basically all men should be cowering in fear their jizz can be used toprocreate with or without their consent whether it be under the guiseof a fantastic blow job or an ex-wife.

It sounds funny put that way, but you wouldn't believe the number of guys I've worked with who have had their sperm "re-purposed" and used in ways they never intended. These guys are now fathers paying child support for a child they explicitly did not want and never intended to have.

perpetual · Mar 08 06 02:58

TehBorken wrote:
It sounds funny put that way, but you wouldn't believe the number of guys I've worked with who have had their sperm "re-purposed" and used in ways they never intended. These guys are now fathers paying child support for a child they [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]explicitly [/SPAN]did not want and never intended to have.

[FONT face="Arial Narrow"]This really puts my gender in a bad light.... it is saying to men women are THAT desperate to procreate or keep a man they would do something so stupid and selfish as to swipe semen from a guy without him knowing.... I say guys need to take control of their semen...make it impossible for women to do things like that to you...block the seminal tubes and only unblock when you truly are ready and willing to procreate...also have things in writing legally! [?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /][o:p][/o:p][/FONT]

[SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"][FONT face="Arial Narrow"]If I was President, I'd make it so all men of child-bearing age can get an IVD so there are no more forced or accidental pregnancies, especially those caused by manipulative women...sounds extreme, but if women are like that lady, or the ones Teh was talking about, plus if all states in the USA go the way of South Dakota it might be the easier way...[/FONT][/SPAN]

TehBorken · Mar 08 06 03:17

perpetualacademe wrote:[font style="font-style: italic;" face="Arial Narrow"][/font][font face="Arial Narrow"][/font][span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN-CA"][font face="Arial Narrow"]
I was President, I'd make it so all men of child-bearing age can get an IVD so there are no more forced or accidental pregnancies, especially those caused by manipulative women...

[/font][/span]I've often thought that a controllable or reversible vasectomy 'device' would be the answer. Equip boys with one at age 12 and it would solve a ton of problems. No more accidental teenage pregnancies for one. I'd pay just about anything for my son to be able to have something this.

primefactor · Mar 09 06 04:56

tenkani wrote:
a woman gave her boyfriend oral sex and, without his knowledge, transferred his money shot from her mouth to the freezer and then took the chowder down to a fertility clinic to be implanted.

I think this one's an urban legend, because the temperature of an ordinary household freezer will not keep sperm in a re-usable state. It does not cool them fast enough and corrupts the "body" part of the sperm.

And even if she'd happened to have a medical-grade freezing unit in her kitchen, wouldn't it have been smarter just to take the shot no farther than her bathroom and... er, deposit it in the typical place herself?

Sportsdude · Mar 10 06 07:24

When tenkani brought up that story maybe she took the sperm in her mouth and then inserted it in her vulva. You never know. Senator Bill Frist is a doctor and he thinks you can get pregnant from tears.

P.C. · Mar 10 06 08:09

I say nothing.

I was thinking that a situation like that would be equivilant of a woman being pregnant as the result of rape......would it not ? That's the only way a woman can GET pregnant against her will. So if a MAN is forced (tricked) into fatherhood, would that not be an interesting angle for a legal battle ?

TehBorken · Mar 10 06 08:44

P.C. wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"]So if a MAN is forced (tricked) into fatherhood, would that not be an interesting angle for a legal battle ?[/div]
No, the courts don't care about this at all. They really don't, and it's been pushed through the courts more than once. The courts refuse to grant any credence to the idea that a man's pserm can be "stolen", no matter what the circumstances. It sounds crazy, but this is something I have a fair amount of experience wiith. It *is* rape in every sense of the word, but as we all know (and as the courts continue to insist) a man can't be "raped".

Once the child is on the way, the father has no rights to speak of. He can't ask or insist the mother do or not do anything, he can be excluded from obtaining any medical information about the child, etc etc. It's actually a lot worse than that, but I don't want to start a huge firestorm here. Suffice it to say that there is no such thng as "reproductive rights for men". Zero, zip, zilch, nada.