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 [H1]Billionaire Donald Bren's children seek support[/H1] [STYLE type=text/css]XXXort XXX("http://blstc.msn.com/br/csl/css/38742CDE2D315FB67F7A0AF2CBE04B3B/fbutility.css");[/STYLE]  [SCRIPT type=text/XXXXscript]/*[![CDATA[*/jQuery.async(0,0,"http://blstj.msn.com/br/csl/js/C5BF95364D5B72AAE6DC37540000CE01/fbutility.js");//]]][/SCRIPT]  [SCRIPT type=text/XXXXscript]/*[![CDATA[*/jQuery.async("Msn.Facebook",function()(Msn.Facebook.initiateFacebookLike('129349433651');Msn.Facebook.TrackingData = (fbAppId:"129349433651",actionName:"recommend",omniAccountName:"MSNportalscpdev",samplingRate:"100",pageType:"article");Msn.Facebook.trackingFacebookLike('');));//]]][/SCRIPT]  [DIV id=placeholder_1]

[DIV id=abody class=articlebody sizset="7" sizcache="26"] [DIV style="WIDTH: 206px" class="parent insert chrome6 single1 float2 cf"] [DIV class="child c1 first"] [DIV class=img] [img class=img1 alt="Billionaire Donald Bren's children seek support" src="http://blstb.msn.com/i/E5/E4F4ACF12A61876822DA406924D2D.jpg" width=202 height=288]

 [P class=abs]Billionaire developer Donald Bren leaves Los Angeles Superior Court at the lunch break Wednesday, Aug. 18, 2010. Bren is being sued for child support by two grown children from former girlfriend Jennifer McKay Gold. The children, ages 18 and 22, are each seeking retroactive support of $400,000 a month from the Irvine Co. chairman. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

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LOS ANGELES, Calif. - Billionaire Donald Bren, one of the nation's richest men, sat in a Los Angeles courtroom Wednesday across from his two grown children from a long ago love affair who are battling him for part of his vast fortune.

 Lawyers for Bren and for plaintiffs Christie and David Bren disputed in opening statements whether the children should receive about $100 million as retroactive payment of child support they allege they were denied. They are suing for $400,000 a month beginning when they were born.

 Lawyers presented two differing portraits of the 78-year-old real estate mogul. His lawyer, John Quinn, described a self-made real estate magnate who is obsessed with privacy and works seven days a week, barely taking time off for vacations.

 "He doesn't have a chauffeur. He has only one car. He's a man who shines his own shoes, pumps his own gas," said Quinn "He is a very wealthy man and he lives a comfortable lifestyle."

 Attorney Hillel Chodos, representing 18-year-old David and 22-year-old Christie Bren , painted Bren as a high living executive who has two California homes, a New York apartment, a Sun Valley ranch, two yachts and five private jets.

 [DIV class="placeholder phw100" sizset="7" sizcache="26"] [DIV class="parent chrome31 single1 customcontainer blue" sizset="7" sizcache="26"] [DIV class="heading alignright" sizset="102" sizcache="14"]"Donald Bren is able to live and does live like a maharajah," said Chodos.[/DIV][/DIV]

Bren, chairman of the Irvine Company, has an estimated net worth of $12 billion and is 16th in Forbes' Magazine's ranking of the 400 richest Americans.

 Chodos said that Bren once told the children's mother, Jennifer McKay Gold, that he spent $3 million to $5 million a month on personal expenses.

 He also said she will testify that he promised to always claim the children as his and to retain a parental relationship with them.

 Bren's lawyer denied this.

 "This is not a case about whether Mr. Bren was a good father, a bad father or an indifferent father," said Quinn. "He wasn't around so he wasn't a father for most of the time .... He's never going to be to those children father of the year."

 He said the billionaire's relationship to the children was always clear to their mother.

 "Those promises were never made. There's not a scrap of paper. There are no witnesses. She never told anyone about these promises," Quinn said.

 He told jurors that Bren and the children's mother didn't live together and repeated several times that it was "not a conventional relationship."

 Outside the jury's presence [A class=cspagelinkdotted onmouseover="MSNFinO.cs_hideddrivetip();MSNFinO.cs_ddrivetip('Superior Court Judge Rex Heeseman'); " href="http://www.bing.com/search?form=CXTFIN&q=Superior%20Court%20Judge%20Rex%20Heeseman&mkt=en-CA&adlt=strict" target=_blank][FONT color=#07519a]Superior Court Judge Rex Heeseman[/FONT][/A] told him he need not dwell on that point. '

 "We're not in Iowa," he said. "We're in Southern California."

 Quinn told jurors they would hear that over 14 years Bren paid $3 million for the children's support, that they went to private schools, had international vacations, tennis and piano lessons, and tutors. Each received a car when they were old enough to drive, and he said Bren committed to pay for their college educations through graduate school.

 Quinn showed jurors a series of four legal agreements entered into by Ms. Gold each time she became pregnant and after the children were born. The contracts beginning in 1988 rose from $3,500 a month at the beginning to $18,000 a month from 1992 to 2002.

 "These children never wanted for anything," he said.

 Chodos said that was not the issue.

 "They lived a nice life," he conceded. "But this is about what they were entitled to."

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 [DIV class="parent chrome23 single0 customcontainer steel"] [DIV class="heading alignright"][SPAN class=text]Your opinion[/SPAN]

[DIV class=content] [DIV class="child c1 first"] [DIV class=poll] [DIV class=results] [OL] [LI]Do you think Canada needs tougher rules relating to refugees?  [OL] [LI]Yes, criminals are taking advantage
[STRONG class="bar pct90"]90%[/b]  [LI]No, we benefit from immigration
[STRONG class="bar pct7"]7%[/b]  [LI]I'm not sure
[STRONG class="bar pct3"]3%[/b][/LI][/OL][/LI][/OL][/DIV][CITE][FONT size=1]47162 responses, not scientifically valid, results updated every minute.[/FONT][/CITE]

[DIV class=poll][CITE][FONT size=1][/FONT][/CITE]

[DIV class=poll][CITE][FONT size=1][/FONT][/CITE]

[DIV class=poll][CITE][FONT size=1][/FONT][/CITE]

[DIV class=poll][CITE]Well what do you think and how about the USA?[/CITE][/DIV][/DIV][/DIV][/DIV]

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    This is cool............

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Discover Seattle! / Hump Day
« on: Jun 23 10 02:56 »
What do you do on humpday

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Discover Seattle! / So what triggers the flying pig?
« on: Jun 09 10 03:28 »
 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]It has been very active for me today. Does Kathy like me? [SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"][SPAN style="mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"]J[/SPAN][/SPAN]


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Discover Seattle! / Remove
« on: Jun 08 10 10:55 »
If you could remove one thing (Anything you can think of) off the net what would it be and why.  

     [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]Must be a pacific item and not just a gener[?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /][st1:PersonName w:st="on"]al[/st1:PersonName] statement like [st1:PersonName w:st="on"]al[/st1:PersonName]l porn…etc…..



    There is so much that comes to mind but hard to say just one above so many

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Discover Seattle! / IPad or this? What would you buy
« on: Jun 07 10 09:19 »
[A href="http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/04/13/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-smart-book-coming-soon-with-a-pending-june-release-the-lenovo-u1-hybrid-smart-book-gets-an-updated-website/"]http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/04/13/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-smart-book-coming-soon-with-a-pending-june-release-the-lenovo-u1-hybrid-smart-book-gets-an-updated-website/[/A]

    OR

        [A href="http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/"]http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/[/A]

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Discover Seattle! / Have you had sex while driving
« on: Jun 04 10 12:46 »
 [H1 class="entry-header spacedmargin h1-post"]Study: 15% of motorists have had sex while driving[/H1] [DIV class=entry-content] [DIV class=entry-body] What’s the worst thing drivers commonly do on the road?

 Texting? Dangerous, no doubt. Playing with their iPod? Just as bad. Putting on lipstick in the mirror? A recipe for disaster.

 But in a recent survey of the worst driver behaviours, one action sticks out above all else. And we bet you didn’t see this coming.

[/DIV][A id=more][/A] [DIV class=entry-more] According to a study by Jabra, a Danish cell phone headset maker, 15 per cent of driver respondents [A href="http://consumerist.com/2010/06/survey-15-of-drivers-getting-their-swerve-on-while-driving.html" target=_blank][FONT color=#07519a]admitted to having “performed sex or other sexual acts” while driving[/FONT][/A], a revelation so specific-yet-vague you can draw your own conclusions on what that actually means.

 Indeed, where poor driving habits go, stories of people doing the business while behind the wheel are tales of urban legend.

 Was a man in Sweden [A href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/04/14/man-caught-having-sex-with-girlfriend-while-driving-at-100mph-115875-21278505/" target=_blank][FONT color=#07519a]caught in the act going 100 mph[/FONT][/A] down a highway last year, according to police? Allegedly (“The woman was sitting on the man’s lap while he was driving,” said one Swedish cop) he was.

[/DIV]

 

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Discover Seattle! / world survey by phone
« on: Jun 02 10 11:32 »
 [FONT size=2][FONT face="Times New Roman"][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]Last month a world survey was conducted by the UN.
The only question asked was ::
"Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food shortage in the rest of the world?"

The survey was a HUGE failure because of the following:

1. In [/SPAN][/FONT][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]Eastern Europe[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "honest" meant.
2. In [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]Western Europe[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "shortage" meant.
3. In [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]Africa[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "food" meant.
4. In [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]China[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "opinion" meant
5. In the [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]Middle East[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "solution" meant
6. In [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]South America[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "please" meant
7. In the [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]USA[/SPAN][/FONT][FONT size=2][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they didn't know what "the rest of the world" meant
8.[FONT color=#1f497d][SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"] [/SPAN][/FONT]In [/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"]Australia[/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt"] they hung up as soon as they heard the Indian accent.[/SPAN][/FONT]


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Discover Seattle! / Forum Mods
« on: Jun 01 10 09:03 »
 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]I have noticed that forums that have more than two mods suck any thoughts on this


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Discover Seattle! / The I hate my boss thread
« on: May 31 10 03:43 »
Just post as guest and no boss will know... ;)

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Discover Seattle! / Where to live in BC
« on: May 31 10 03:26 »
would like to get out of the lower main land but where to............do not want to be out in the bush..........would be nicer in a warmmer area too........

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Discover Seattle! / HST
« on: May 31 10 03:18 »
Well what say you

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Discover Seattle! / Would you have?
« on: May 26 10 02:16 »
 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]Sex with a person twice your age of you at this very time.

 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]

 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]

 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]So for us older ones here                             NO

 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]

 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]

 [P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal]What about half as old ?????


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Discover Seattle! / HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO TO MARRY?
« on: May 21 10 09:46 »
 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]HOW DO  YOU  DECIDE WHO TO MARRY? (written by kids)[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  You got to find somebody who likes the same stuff.  Like,  if you like sports, [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]she should like it that you like sports, and she  should keep the chips and dip coming.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Alan, age 10[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](2)  No person really decides before they grow up who they're going to marry.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]God decides it all way before, and you get to find out later who you're stuck with.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Kristen, age 10 [/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]WHAT IS THE RIGHT AGE TO GET MARRIED?[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  Twenty-three is the best age because you know the person FOREVERby then.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Camille, age 10[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](2)  No age is good to get married at.  You got to be a fool to get married.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Freddie, age 6 (very wise for his  age)[/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]HOW CAN A STRANGER TELL IF TWO PEOPLE ARE MARRIED? [/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  You might have to guess, whether they seem to be yelling at the same kids.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Derrick, age 8[/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR MOM AND DAD HAVE IN COMMON? [/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  Both don't want any more kids.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Lori, age  8[/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]WHAT  DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A  DATE?[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  Dates are for having fun, and people should use them to get to know each other. [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Even boys have  something to say if you listen long enough.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Lynnette, age 8 (isn't she a treasure)[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](2)  On the first date, they just tell each other lies and that usually gets them interested[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]enough to go for a second  date. [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Martin,  age 10  (Who said boys do not have brains)[/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON A FIRST DATE THAT WAS TURNING  SOUR?[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  I'd run home and play dead.  The next day I would  call all the newspapers and make sure [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]they wrote about me in all the dead columns.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Craig, age   9[/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]WHEN  IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE? [/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1)  When they're rich.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Pam, age 7   (I could not have said it better  myself) [/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](2) The law says you have to be eighteen, so I wouldn't want to mess with that. [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Curt, age 7  (Good point)[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](3) The rule goes like this:  If you kiss someone,  then you should marry them and have  [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]kids with them.  It's the right thing to do. [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Howard,  age 8  (Who made the rule) [/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]IS  IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR  MARRIED?[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]It's better for girls to be single but not for boys.   Boys need someone to clean up after them.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Anita, age 9 (bless you child) [/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]HOW WOULD THE WORLD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET MARRIED?[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1) There sure would be alot of kids to explain, wouldn't there? [/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Kelvin, age 8[/FONT]


 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]And the #1 Favorite is........[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK?[/FONT]

 [FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"](1) Tell your wife that she looks pretty, even if she looks like a truck.[/FONT]
[FONT color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"]Ricky, age 10   ( The boy already understands)  [/FONT]


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