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Title: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 01:29
Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, and it's not even April Fool's Day yet...

     [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=gainsboro] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]modulusruptura [/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0] [FONT size=1]Posted - 3/23/2007 1:42:45 AM[/FONT]   [HR noShade SIZE=1]    After consulting with other mods, I and the others were not happy with the current limbo that the discretionary situation with harrassment etc. policies. We have come to a decision that the best solution would be to throw things wide open.

From now on, unless otherwise announced, there will be no deletions or banning for harrassing, stalking, insulting, flaming posts.

Posting of personal information and pictures without permission will continue to be punished by banning.

So if someone is bothering you or following you, fight back, ignore, or go to ds. On DV the mods will not step in. You guys and gals are on your own.




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 Not too surprising actually, considering all the reluctance to clean up and all the hateful messages that're deliberately left on there. (Of course complaints about them are promptly deleted!)

 They can always say "We were kidding - har, har"....

 ... or they might be testing the legal limits of "free speech" in Canada. Sort of like, how far can we push it, before they shut us down?

 What do you think?

 

 

 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: mr pomegranate on Mar 23 07 01:54
  this is not a matter of 'pushing it'... it has nothing to do with hate speech or anything like that... this is simply a policy that a few of the mods have chosen to follow in the handling of the daily squabbles and flaming that go with the forum... if a poster wants to venture into the free and open frontier that is the internet forum called dv, don't whine to the mods if someone insults you or flames you.... it goes with the territory. We are not going to participate in the kindergarten atmosphere of tattletales and whining and crying and he said she said and so and so said something mean to me kind of crap... If a poster can't handle being flamed, there is an easy solution.    
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ummm on Mar 23 07 02:12
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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 02:26
mr pomegranate wrote:
   this is not a matter of 'pushing it'... it has nothing to do with hate speech or anything like that... [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #dfffbf"]this is simply a policy that a few of the mods have chosen to follow[/FONT] in the handling of the daily squabbles and flaming that go with the forum... if a poster wants to venture into the free and open frontier that is the internet forum called dv, don't whine to the mods if someone insults you or flames you.... it goes with the territory. We are not going to participate in the kindergarten atmosphere of tattletales and whining and crying and he said she said and so and so said something mean to me kind of crap... If a poster can't handle being flamed, there is an easy solution.

  A few of the mods, but not all of them? How about having a consistent and unified policy of how such incidents should be handled?



I'm not a legal expert by any means, but I have a feeling that what you're describing is unconstitutional. There's only so far you can push the law before you feel its breath on your back. And I think this is coming pretty close.



Then there's also the curious case of some mods' orchestrating, if not tacitly approving and encouraging such attacks, to fulfill their own personal agendas.



So it's not just [FONT face="Times New Roman"]"[/FONT][/b][FONT face="Times New Roman"]the kindergarten atmosphere of tattletales and whining and crying"[/FONT] but major bullying, harrassment and attempts of intimidation that're involved in some of the daily bullshit that takes place on DV.



Methinks this kind of change in policy seems to serve their interest best, since there won't be any disagreement with other mods.



Perfect.        
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 02:41


Aside from what I outlined above there's even a larger issue:

  > don't whine to the mods if someone insults you or flames you....

  Can I ask you then: What the fuk are you guys there for?



Do you have any role, any function, any responsibility there at all?



As I wrote in a message on DV:



 [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]Raging Poodle![/TD] [TD colSpan=2] [img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/23/2007 3:35:02 AM[/FONT]

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 You might as well say "We don't give a fuk" and get it over with instead of mincing your words.

Are you guys all fed up with being mods? Why not just quit the damn thing instead of playing these stupid games?

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[img onclick=smile(this.src) src="http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/silly/crazy.gif"]





 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: looking glass on Mar 23 07 02:51
 Raging Poodle,

what are you trying to achieve with all your tirades?
   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Take Note on Mar 23 07 04:09
Would be good if DV had this type User Agreement:


[span class="genmed"]While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

[span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold;"]You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions.[/span] You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.

By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.

[/span]

 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Take Note on Mar 23 07 04:17
Ok.  Might be a little stringent but I am surprised DV does not have any kind User Agreement whatsoever, not even an 'Enter at your own risk', before you go into the forums.

Most other forums have this.
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForShure on Mar 23 07 04:38
Take Note wrote:
Ok.  Might be a little stringent but I am surprised DV does not have any kind User Agreement whatsoever, not even an 'Enter at your own risk', before you go into the forums.

Most other forums have this.

 
 Did you know the other forums that are all part of the whole DV club (they're listed at the bottom of the home page of DV) have those kind of user agreements and they have very stringent rules?  Why the DV web-site administrators are so particular about rules on those forums and not DV continues to mystify me.

  For example on ClubZone here's some of the rules they have:

  [A href="http://www.clubzone.com/idealbb/rules.html"]http://www.clubzone.com/idealbb/rules.html[/A]

  [SPAN class=whitenorm]1. No Racism, No Threatening, No (citing) Victimization (via PM) or Hateful posts / Retaliation of any kind against a member, or group of members. Hateful post will NOT be tolerated. Any Racist or Threatening posts will result in the suspension of the user account. Don’t test your limit. [/SPAN]

[SPAN class=whitenorm][/SPAN]

[SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm]2.  No Cursing or Swear words in the Forums. We encourage you to use our Communities as a forum to debate topics, but please use proper adjectives to express yourself. We do not tolerate circumvention of our word filter or abuse upon another member. [/SPAN][/SPAN]

[SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm][/SPAN][/SPAN]

[SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm]3,  We ask that any nudity over the video feeds be kept to private rooms, or to private conversations (with both parties consent). Sometimes we (everyone) just don’t want to know what happens in your bedroom. Also, please do not ask members to break the nudity rules. Just because they are on cam, doesn't mean they have to give you a peep show. Calling out things like "show me your t**s" may get you banned. [/SPAN][/SPAN][/SPAN]

[SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm][/SPAN][/SPAN][/SPAN]

[SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm]6.  No Nudity or Pornographic Material, graphic or otherwise. This includes sick jokes & bad language. Any displayed images or links to such content will not be tolerated.
Additional: Bodypaint is not the same as clothing. These images will also be removed. [/SPAN][/SPAN][/SPAN][/SPAN]

  [SPAN class=whitenorm][SPAN class=whitenorm]12.  If you are a long standing member, act like one. Lead by example and assist other newer members rather then attacking them. We look upon our veteran members to use this opportunity to teach the newer members the appropriate way to use the message boards and live chat. [/SPAN][/SPAN]
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on Mar 23 07 06:10
I DONT GIVE A FUK. THEY MODIFIED THE RULES TO BRING BACK US WHO ARE BANNED. IM NOT GOING BACK. THEY CAN GET STUFFED. WITHOUT ME THEY ARE HISTORY RIGHT DOWN THE FUKEN SHITTER AND THEY DESERVE IT .HEY MIKE GO AND SUCK THE SNOTTY END OF MY FUK STICK.   REGARDS GAMBINO
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForShure on Mar 23 07 07:49
Hey Gordy, why not post what you just said on DV.  Might be interesting to see what happens. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/7.gif)
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ritch on Mar 23 07 08:21
 DV isn't that kind of site (pointing to the rules above). And Raging Poodle, do you have a job? Seems all you do is obsess over DV and come over to DS and post and rant and rave. You are trying to protect your girlfriends, but dude, she was being ridiculous last night in her accusations, it was a joke...anyone can see it. Lighten up man, this is the internet. Suck it up.

(http:///forums/richedit/smileys/4.gif)
   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 23 07 08:26
So if someone is bothering you or following you, fight back, ignore, or go to ds. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff40"]On DV the mods will not step in. [/FONT]You guys and gals are on your own.[/b]
 
 Interesting.  Over here, if someone was "bothering" you, "harrassing" you or even "stalking" you, that person would be in deep shit from Teh Borken!  

 It's interesting to know that the mods there know how to regurgitate what Mike just said.  Why couldn't Mike post it himself?  Oh, is the Lord too busy?  *rolls eyes*

 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 23 07 08:35
 purelife wrote:
[strong style="font-style: italic;"][em]So if someone is bothering you or following you, fight back, ignore, or go to ds. [font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 64);"]On DV the mods will not step in. [/font]You guys and gals are on your own.[/em][/b]
 [hr style="font-style: italic;"]  Interesting.  Over here, if someone was "bothering" you, "harrassing" you or even "stalking" you, that person would be in deep shit from Teh Borken!
[/p] Yep. Something like stalking would be cause for an immediate data dump to the relevant authorities. I have no intention of letting anyone use this site as a platform to commit crimes against someone else like stalking, etc.

Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Knower on Mar 23 07 08:38
Well, I guess the theory over there is that it isn't a daycare centre and adults should know what they are getting into on an anonymous board.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 23 07 08:44
 Knower wrote:
Well, I guess the theory over there is that it isn't a daycare centre and [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]adults[/span] should know what they are getting into on an anonymous board.  

That's a nice theory.

But I know for a fact that a lot of people actually mind being stalked, having their home life in the real world messed with, and all their personal data published to the web. It's all fun and games until your home phone, wife's picture, and your Social Security number get posted on a public bulletin board. Then suddenly it's not so funny. And unfortunately, a lot of adults don't know what they're getting into on a supposedly "anonymous" bulletin board.
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: guessed on Mar 23 07 08:47
Oh I don't think that's what's going on over there at all, no private information is being divulged. It was just someone flaming someone, child's play.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 23 07 08:47
You've got to be kidding me.  Adults "should" know what they're getting into?  For goodness sake.  Why do you think that the NBC (or whatever Network it is) constantly does shows about the "Internet" world full of Preys who like to go after younger girls?  These are adults and some of them are married with kids.    
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 23 07 08:50
guessed wrote:
Oh I don't think that's what's going on over there at all, no [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff40"]private information is being divulged[/FONT]. It was just someone flaming someone, child's play.
[/b]  
 
 That's funny!  I recall "real" names used on DV.  I recall seeing tenkani's real name but with *** in between the letters smeared over on DV by some hater.  As well, I've seen IP addresses posted by the mods.  Oh, and I've also seen Kits who had accidently copied his email signature on a post and then some troll copied and pasted his contact details all over DV.  

Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ritch on Mar 23 07 09:07
 Well, that's not what was going on over there last night, read the threads about which this is all referring to, then  you will understand. I know you all have major history over there, but this isn't what they are talking about at all. It's called flaming, not harassing.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: lol on Mar 23 07 09:25
 [TABLE id=Table2 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]X[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/23/2007 8:18:56 AM[/FONT]  [HR noShade SIZE=1]  Alright, to my fellow mods. From the unneccesary thread deletes to these "new policies" that you're not really in postion to be making, I have no part of this, and I am going to mod as I always modded from the beginning before all of you were even mods (except for mod1dv).

Sorry I'm stating this publically, but if I am not in agreement, then I can't support these 2 person decisions

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 Do I sense a discrepancy between the mods?

Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 23 07 09:32
LOL, I love how X speaks his mind.  I like his "no bull-shit, take no prisoners" attitude.  DV needs to clone X. :))))
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 23 07 09:40
  [font style="font-family: Times New Roman;" size="1"]Posted - 3/23/2007 8:18:56 AM[/font][br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"][span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"]Sorry I'm stating this publically, but if I am not[/span][br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"][span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"]in agreement, then I can't support these 2 person decisions[/span]

[font style="font-weight: bold;" size="4"]Uh-oh, Trouble In Paradise. [/font]  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: guessed on Mar 23 07 09:42
The most ironic and funniest part of all of this is that (some of them) are sticking up for a certain person who caused a [span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"]lot[/span] of trouble over here and on DV!  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 23 07 09:46
Who is "some of them" and who are they sticking up for?  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: guessed on Mar 23 07 10:03
X is arguing against the new policy and apparently sticking up for Raor who was whining to the mods last night incessantly.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: orly on Mar 23 07 10:06
Huh? In that thread? I don't see anybody sticking up for raor.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: James Dean on Mar 23 07 11:57
Sounds like there is more than one "academe like" mods now.

  I smell some demodding coming on remember what happened last time that one mod got pissed off then the time before that lol
Title: What this means... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 03:32


Last night after posting a couple of messages on DS (mostly addressed to modulus) it dawned on me this morning that there's more to this story than meets the eye.



I believe at a symbolic level, this so called major policy announcement is modulus' way of saying "I quit".



There may've been some disagreements before, but push came to shove last night when raor asked for modulus' help in dealing with a repeat harrasser:



At that moment ydv jumps in in her capacity as a mod, and completely ignores and denies that any kind of harrassment was taking place.





 [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=gainsboro] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]ydvmod[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 11:31:34 PM[/FONT]   [HR noShade SIZE=1] [FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"][SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]maybe if you would leave me alone i would ask the mod to just delete the offending posts and  let you go with a warning, but you use so many handles to abuse me.  how could i get the reassurance you'll stay out of my way?[/SPAN][BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"][BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"][SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]if you're willing to leave me alone (under any nickname), i'm willing to ask the mods to only give you a warning instead of a second banning.[/SPAN]

I don't think it works that way raor. You can't ask for someone to be banned only cause you don't like them or cause they say things you don't like.

Harassment and stalking are what happens over several threads and over several days. It usually involves posting personal information of a poster and I don't think either is the case here.

As a matter of fact, if you look at it that way, your constant accusations that a certain poster[/FONT][FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"] is harassing you[/FONT][FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"] (even though the posts you are referring to are posted anonymously), are also a form of harassment.
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Contradicting herself, twisting and deliberately misinterpreting everything enough to suggest that raor is the one perpetrating the harrassment.



She confounds the issue further by making it as difficult as possible to identify who's actually harrassing her:



 [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=gainsboro] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]ydvmod[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 11:47:03 PM[/FONT]   [HR noShade SIZE=1] [FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"][FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"][SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"]She is the one who always harasses me - to the point of finding it necessary to ask for assistance in dealing with the matter, from the moderating team.[/SPAN]

There are at least three different posters among those that you identify as being only viv. I don't think mods should ever interfere in cases like this. It becomes different when personal information and/or RL details are revealed.
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  (Hello? You're the mod, you're the one who has access to IPs. So how hard is it to identify and warn those individuals?)



But no, DV mods are potted plants. They're not supposed interfere. Even when harrassment goes on for weeks and months, spanning across a number of threads... (I'm speaking from a variety of past incidents, not just this one.)



Anyhow at that moment modulus shows up, and after a quick examination of the case he makes his decision known:



[TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=gainsboro] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]modulusruptura[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/23/2007 12:20:33 AM[/FONT]   [HR noShade SIZE=1] ok, the situation is as follows, I looked at the link that raor posted, at the beginning of the thread, and what viv has posted in that thread constitutes harrassment, in that it is a continued behaviour. the postings were completely off topic and were harrassing

viv does know that this kind of behaviour is not tolerated, and this is not a first offence

if there was ever any doubt in her mind that this kind of behaviour not be defined as harrassing, that doubt is no longer accepted and I am giving a FINAL WARNING

a ban is justified now, but I am giving one last chance, ANY HINT of this kind of harrassing behaviour toward any of the posters that you have been stalking will be dealt with with a long term ban of no less than a month

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Note the strong wording, and how his judgement differs so dramatically from ydv's.

    [FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1](Got to fold the laundry. Epilogue to follow soon...)[/FONT]  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Which proves... on Mar 23 07 03:38
...that the mods are not potted plants. Nor are they to be expected to see everything exactly the same way, every time, coming into the threads at different times. Are they supposed to be like the Borg, or might they be , god forbid, human like the rest of us, and fallible once in a while.

Remember DV is always worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: oprah on Mar 23 07 04:50
 ...yeah, but then he changes his mind anyway in the end.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: So on Mar 23 07 05:26
you don't seem to like the way things are done on either forum.  you have heaps of criticism and neverending suggestions on how it should be done so why don't you start your own forum where you can make the rules as you see fit. of course you'll have to put up with people who don't like the way you do things, but...  meh
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: rly on Mar 23 07 05:42
Raging Poodle should totally start his own forum, then he can implement all this crap himself.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Yes on Mar 23 07 05:54
I vote for Raging Poodle starting his own forum.  Raging Poodle the Admin!  That would be awesome.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:07
Ok.  Might be a little stringent but I am surprised DV does not have any kind User Agreement whatsoever, not even an 'Enter at your own risk', before you go into the forums.

 Unless things have changed, isn't there a warning before you make any post on DV stating that certain things are out of bounds? It may not go far enough for some people, but it's not like there is no guidance at all for what's acceptable.

  As far as a "user agreement", that seems more appropriate for a board with registration.

  I have mixed feelings about the whole "harassment" issue. I've seen posters persistently harassed by f*cktards because they couldn't deal with rejection. These are genuine stalker type situations where a poster becomes obsessed with the object of their desires and the obsession changes from unwatned effection to hatred. TUX is a prime example. SG is another. In those cases banning makes sense. But in other cases, a user makes enemies by stirring shit and provoking people, and then when they find themselves the victim of karma, they demand protection from the mods.

  This is where the whole thing becomes incredibly subjective. If you crack down on all persistent grief, you remove the element of karma. Someone may feel free to make enemies, secure in the knowledge that they will be protected from the lingering effects of their own asshattery. A couple of great examples spring to mind but I will just leave it at that.
Title: Epilogue... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 06:11


Ok, laundry is folded and dishes are done, so back to my commentary on what I think is behind this annoucement:



I might be wrong but If I'm perceiving this correctly, modulus comes across as a gentle soul.  I'm getting the impression that this is the kind of individual that loathes stepping on anyone's toes for fear of hurting that person.



And you've all seen the discrepancy between his perception and another mod's. They were practically polar opposites.



 In this case, he appears to be stuck between a rock and a hard place:[/DIV]



On one hand he has his common sense tugging at his consience on matters pertaining to harrassment, bullying, intimidation, stalking, etc.



And on the other, he has the gentle side admonishing him: Don't hurt anyone!



So he made up that policy statement (which he wasn't even authorized to decide on anyway) simply because he perceives that is what's expected of him if he wants to get along with everyone without hurting anyone:



"... there will be no deletions or banning for harrassing, stalking, insulting, flaming posts."




It's actually an ethical dilemna.

He doesn't want to let anyone down.

He doesn't want to hurt anyone...



So he might as well give an advance warning to everyone that [FONT color=#000000]from now on you can not count on me to do what I'm here to do. Because if I take action there's another mod opposing my decisions, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. [/FONT]



The way I see it he can not even say "I quit" because if he did, he would be implicating a fellow mod.

  So in his confusion he creates a senseless policy statement.



He might end up getting burnt for it - because he was the one who posted it. (Although it was posted because of someone else.)



It's almost like an invitation: I can't quit, so fire me.



I wonder what the media would think if they became aware of these latest changes. Because they were asking Mike during the interview, why is there constant racism and filth on DV?



Because of situations like this.  [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_tongue.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_tongue.gif)[/A]





       
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: orly on Mar 23 07 06:15
You are comparing RACISM to someone picking on your psycho girlfriend? lol! You are too much.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:21
After consulting with other mods, I and the others were not happy with the current limbo that the discretionary situation with harrassment etc. policies. We have come to a decision   This was poorly worded and gives the sense that some sort of consensus was reached by the mods, which is obviously not the case. A good rule of thumb would be, don't issue a semi-official policy statement unless you can find consensus (and also get a thumbs up from management).

  It would have been nice if you also mentioned the ongoing rash of deletions of posts and threads ciritcal of the mods and that those, too, would be left alone. I witnessed several of these deletions myself (axing threads where good questions and rational criticism was being raised) and if you think the deletions are somehow improving the situation you're dead wrong.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah ! on Mar 23 07 06:22
So wrote:
you don't seem to like the way things are done on either forum.  you have heaps of criticism and neverending suggestions on how it should be done so why don't you start your own forum where you can make the rules as you see fit. of course you'll have to put up with people who don't like the way you do things, but...  meh



Quoted for truth. As for this:

   [TABLE style="TABLE-LAYOUT: fixed" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"] [TBODY] [TR] [TD vAlign=top width="85%" height="100%"] [DIV style="OVERFLOW: auto; WIDTH: 100%"]You are comparing RACISM to someone picking on your psycho girlfriend? lol! You are too much.  

 

 She's only my imaginary psycho girlfriend. We come together only when we're by ourselves.

[/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=smalltext vAlign=bottom width="85%"] [TABLE style="TABLE-LAYOUT: fixed" width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR] [TD class=smalltext align=left width="100%" colSpan=2][/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=smalltext vAlign=bottom align=left][/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE][/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE] [TABLE style="TABLE-LAYOUT: fixed" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"] [TBODY] [TR] [TD vAlign=top width="85%" height="100%"][/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=smalltext vAlign=bottom width="85%"] [TABLE style="TABLE-LAYOUT: fixed" width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR] [TD class=smalltext align=left width="100%" colSpan=2][/TD][/TR] [TR] [TD class=smalltext vAlign=bottom align=left][/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE][/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
   
Title: Re: Epilogue... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 23 07 06:25
 [strong style="font-style: italic;"]"[/b]... there will be no deletions or banning for harrassing, stalking, insulting, flaming posts."

Did I misread that, or did he just give everyone a blanket license to harass, stalk, insult, and flame with no consequences? And this person was handpicked as to be a moderator??
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:25
Handle jacking on DS is hard lol.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:32
Read the whole thread, TB.

Basically he later says that mods can use their own judgement and I think he says true harassment can be dealt with. I happen to agree with the spirit of the new policy generally speaking, but it was handled TERRIBLY. Don't mix flaming and stalking in the same sentence for instance. Flaming is an integral part of the beauty of DV. Stalking is a loaded word...man I don't know why he went there.

  Still, it's nice to see that they're at least thinking of taking a more hands-off approach to deletions over on DV. Lately some of the DV mods have been deleting posts from the shadows without any good reason except that they rub them the wrong way. I'm sure you can understand how that would concern someone, right?
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: helper on Mar 23 07 06:37
This is the thread where the flaming was discussed:

http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 23 07 06:39
  tenkani wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"]Lately some of the DV mods have been deleting posts from the shadows without any good reason except that they rub them the wrong way. I'm sure you can understand how that would concern someone, right?[/div]
If you're referring to the two posts I deleted the other day, then yes. I already said that was me and that I was cranky.

If you're referring to the other post you made in the 'smites' thread asking if someone had deleted your last comment, then no. I didn't remove it and I don't any sign that a post was removed from that thread in the logs.
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: what on Mar 23 07 06:40
Tehborken is a DV mod?  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:43
Well I'm f*cking cranky too now.

And I guess there's a ghost in the machine.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 23 07 06:45
 what wrote:
Tehborken is a DV mod?  

[font style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" size="7"]LOL!!![/font]
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Angle _ raor? on Mar 23 07 06:47
helper wrote:
This is the thread where the flaming was discussed:

http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720
 
 [TR bgcolor="whitesmoke"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"][FONT face=Verdana]lame[/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:46:06 PM[/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 Yeah, thats MAJOR harassment! [img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon/1181.gif" border=0]

   
[/DIV][/FONT] [DIV align=right][A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=1#top"][FONT face=Verdana][img height=15 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_go_up.gif" width=15 align=right border=0][/FONT][/A]

[/TD][/TR][TR bgcolor="gainsboro"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"]Ayatollah Yawuntz[/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:50:08 PM[/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 

 [TABLE id=Table2 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]your pal[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:25:31 PM[/FONT]  [HR noShade SIZE=1] Well RAOR/THE ANGEL, now that you have (how did tehborken word it?) wiggled your ass to get people to do your bidding...happy? [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]Harassment[/SPAN], what a little loser you are....insufferable. [/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]




 [TABLE id=Table2 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]your pal[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:28:24 PM[/FONT]  [HR noShade SIZE=1] Hey RAOR, does smiting someone endlessly for days on another forum count as HARASSMENT? Should YOU be banned? Just curious... [/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]




 [TABLE id=Table2 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]***[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:31:24 PM[/FONT]  [HR noShade SIZE=1] I think we should have PMs here, so people can contact us directly if they have problems instead of running and snivelling to the mods (as i am sure she is doing right now)...[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]


Those are some excellent posts.

 

 

[DIV align=right][A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=1#top"][img height=15 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_go_up.gif" width=15 align=right border=0][/A]

[/TD][/TR][TR bgcolor="whitesmoke"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"]Ayatollah Yawuntz[/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:50:51 PM[/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 As for having PMS here, Angel-raor has it everyday.

 
 

[DIV align=right][A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=1#top"][img height=15 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_go_up.gif" width=15 align=right border=0][/A]

[/TD][/TR][TR bgcolor="gainsboro"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"]raor![/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:50:51 PM[/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 viv is not only disrupting the flow of discussion in the thread with unrelated harassing remarks against me, she does this on a daily, on-going basis, and i am tired of her stalking me and saying harassing remarks against me.





[DIV align=right][A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=1#top"][img height=15 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_go_up.gif" width=15 align=right border=0][/A]

[/TD][/TR][TR bgcolor="whitesmoke"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"]give me a break[/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:51:49 PM[/FONT]

[FONT size=1][/FONT]

[FONT size=1][/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 Raor, just because you keep saying the words STALKING and HARASSING doesnt make it so hun. Seriously, you are SO calling the kettle black.

 
 

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[/TD][/TR][TR bgcolor="gainsboro"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"]raor![/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:52:16 PM[/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 what in the hell are you talking about calling me angel-raor? im flattered and all, but i am just raor.

 
 

[DIV align=right][A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=1#top"][img height=15 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_go_up.gif" width=15 align=right border=0][/A]

[/TD][/TR][TR bgcolor="whitesmoke"][TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"]????[/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/22/2007 10:53:47 PM[/FONT]

 [HR noShade SIZE=1]

 You really scare me when you make statements like that. [/TD][/TR]
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:48
So now she's left DV twice and is still posting?

Masochists should not be entitled to protection from harassment IMO.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: what on Mar 23 07 06:51
 This could be misunderstood:

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[div style="font-style: italic;"]Lately some of the DV mods have been deleting posts from the shadows without any good reason except that they rub them the wrong way. I'm sure you can understand how that would concern someone, right?[/div]
If you're referring to the two posts I deleted the other day
   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:52
Nope. TB understood me perfectly.

He's a very bright dude.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: what on Mar 23 07 06:53
No, I meant that the way it was worded made it sound like he was a dv mod...oh, never mind, lol!  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 06:54
Words suck.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Up! Said Daisy on Mar 23 07 06:55
tenkani wrote:
So now she's left DV twice and is still posting?

Masochists should not be entitled to protection from harassment IMO.



  [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" valign="top" align="left"][FONT face=Verdana]raor![/TD][TD colspan="2"][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - [FONT color=#7f003f]3/23/2007 2:41:38 AM[/FONT][/FONT][FONT color=#7f003f] [/FONT] [HR noShade SIZE=1]  bye mods and all i am officially signing off from being a poster on dv[/FONT][/TD]
     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Up! Said Daisy on Mar 23 07 06:57
i like kittens

    [img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT face=Verdana][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/23/2007 2:41:38 AM[/FONT] [HR noShade SIZE=1]  bye mods and all i am officially signing off from being a poster on dv. [/FONT]
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Hear Hear! on Mar 23 07 06:58
I vote for Raging Poodle starting his own forum.  Raging Poodle the Admin!  That would be awesome.  

  Please find a link to the software that might help this endevour.

  [A href="http://www.simplemachines.org/"]http://www.simplemachines.org/[/A]  
Title: Re: Epilogue... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 07:04
TehBorken wrote:
[STRONG style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]"[/b][SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]... there will be no deletions or banning for harrassing, stalking, insulting, flaming posts.[/SPAN][SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]"[/SPAN]

Did I misread that, or did he just give everyone a blanket license to harass, stalk, insult, and flame with [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]no consequences[/SPAN]? And this person was handpicked as to be a [SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"]moderator[/SPAN]??

 No, you didn't read that wrong. That's EXACTLY what they mean. That's why I'm reacting.



The asshat posting first as orly, then trying to handlejack me in this thread is too retarded to see that giving such a blank cheque can only lead to an increase in racist and hate threads.



Where do you draw the line between an insult and racist comment? Why should one be allowed and other not?



What makes stalking and harrassment OK?



Here's a notable quote from another DV mod who defends that approach:





 [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]ydvmod[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/23/2007 12:36:30 AM[/FONT]    [HR noShade SIZE=1]   Just to finish off, I'm sure haha had no bad intentions. We all get something else on DV and [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0c0"]haha happens to enjoy flame wars. I don't think there's anything wrong with that[/FONT], but as I said, modulus might have seen more than me.

OK, ydv out.

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[A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=3"]http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=149720&whichpage=3[/A]



Now because I'm pointing out this message, she might just go and delete it. [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_dead.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_dead.gif)[/A]



There're tonnes of messages like that constantly urging harrassing, stalker types of messages to blossom and flourish on DV.



You're not even supposed to complain now if it happens to you. That's what that policy statement is about.



So yes, you've read it correctly.



     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tehAngle on Mar 23 07 07:08
Heya, Moo, take another Midol, you pussified bitch!

  TFF
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: orly on Mar 23 07 07:09
Uh, I never handlejacked you Raging Poodle.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: orly on Mar 23 07 07:12
Everyone has had a chance to read the threads that illicited all of this, and can take it in context. Everyone knows Raging Poodle, that you and Raor have a thing...and so you are now hell bent on what? Protecting her? Having DV policy changed for her? YDV was implying that flaming is not harassing. Yes, take a pill, please.

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Title: Shitheads are here... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 07:19
[FONT color=#00007f]Excuse me trolls, posting as anonymous guests:[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f]Would you mind confining your comments to the topic, instead of CONSTANTLY trying to detract from the main subject with your off topic pastes and drivel?[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f]Perhaps you have an agenda of your own and you really don't want this topic to be discussed, or you're simply bored. [/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f]At any rate you're trying to hijack this thread, and it will not happen. [/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f]This is not DV.[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: fan on Mar 23 07 07:22
So...you are trying to keep anyone from voicing their opinions about this? Is DS different, no one is allowed to comment in a thread, about what you are presenting here? Who knew?  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 07:24
Yup. Read the whole thread not just the quote.

The "new policy" doesn't open the door to everything because as the little warning before a post says, anything that's legally classified as a hate crime is still verboten. Why are flames Ok but not racism? Ug. Raging Poodle, I actually respect you, but if you had your way everything interesting about DV would be bled dry.

  EDIT: And you're not a mod here, so deflate your f*ckin head.    
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: anti-Moolah on Mar 23 07 07:41
Registration req'd here? No? Cool! f*ck you Raging Poodle, you sniveling f*cking crybaby. Trashing a**holes like you anonymously is the best way to get the point across without stepping in some Raging Poodle.

You've only got one handle? Prove it.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: P.C. on Mar 23 07 07:45
[FONT color=#00007f]Raging Poodle wrote:[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f]This is not DV.[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#000000]You're right Raging Poodle...this isn't DV.  So why are you so intent on bringing all DV's problems HERE?  I understand you're not happy with how things are going over there....but is it really fair to bring it all HERE to hash it out?  Pages and pages of pasted issues you want sorted out, but you're trying to sort it out with the wrong people.  No?[/FONT]      
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 07:51
Traffic is traffic    ;)
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: P.C. on Mar 23 07 07:54
I suppose that's true tenkani.  Personally I'm OK getting stuck in traffic.  But getting stuck in traffic with a bunch of people with road rage makes one want to turn in their license.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 07:57
I feel you.

But like I said before, this place was built (the community, not the structure which holds it) largely in response to DV. It's the nature of this particular beast. Many of us who no longer visit DV regularly...well, it still claims a part of our soul, and so threads like this shouldn't be surprising.

  EDIT: I just noticed that whenever I read a DV-related thread it puts me in a shitty mood.

Maybe that should tell me something.  
Title: Trolling on DS... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 08:06
tenkani wrote:
 Yup. Read the whole thread not just the quote.

The "new policy" doesn't open the door to everything because as the little warning before a post says, anything that's legally classified as a hate crime is still verboten. Why are flames Ok but not racism? Ug. Raging Poodle, I actually respect you, but if you had your way everything interesting about DV would be bled dry.

  EDIT: And you're not a mod here, so deflate your f*ckin head.

   
 You're trolling so much with that comment that it's hard to decide what I should respond to.



Do I need to be a mod to be able to request that people posting in a thread stick to the topic?



I hesitate to call it "my" thread, but yes I happen to have created it because it's a subject of interest to me and I wouldn't hearing from those sharing the same interest.



And now that you mention it, you've made quite a few off topic remarks in this thread yourself. How about cleaning them up?



How would you like it if other people came into your threads, and started trolling, hijacking, and shitting all over the place?

   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: yep on Mar 23 07 08:10
This argument is starting to sound very familiar...

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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Devil on Mar 23 07 08:15
Sure a lot of guests lurking in the shadows when DV is a current topic on DS.

  I wonder if Mike reads this? Hey Mike, You are an ASSTARD!
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Jerry Seinfeld on Mar 23 07 08:17
Excuse me, uh...has anybody seen Elaine?
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Devil on Mar 23 07 08:19
yeah, we left her at the bar...she embarrased us with her dancing!
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 08:20
P.C. wrote:
 [FONT color=#00007f]Raging Poodle wrote:[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f]This is not DV.[/FONT]

[FONT color=#00007f][/FONT]

[FONT color=#000000]You're right Raging Poodle...this isn't DV.  So why are you so intent on bringing all DV's problems HERE?  I understand you're not happy with how things are going over there....but is it really fair to bring it all HERE to hash it out?  Pages and pages of pasted issues you want sorted out, but you're trying to sort it out with the wrong people.  No?[/FONT]

  It's a topic, PC. You really don't have to read it if it doesn't interest you.



Do you think I click on every copy pasted odd news item that's posted on here?

[/DIV]
 No. I only click on those that interest me, and sometimes I comment on them.

  If it turns out that I don't like the chosen news item, I don't start picking on the OP saying hey why're you pasting all the stupid news items here? Do you think DS is a news collection agency? Why should I care about what seems interesting to you, etc. etc.



Do you see my point?

     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Jerry Seinfeld on Mar 23 07 08:23
Devil wrote:
 yeah, we left her at the bar...she embarrased us with her dancing!

      I know, tell me about it. I had to leave her in a bar once in Hoboken. Whew, bad! But now I've got a straight eight and I need some live bait, so, you know..
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: lurker on Mar 23 07 08:25
You guys are hijacking this thread...the shits gonna hit the fan!
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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: hijacker on Mar 23 07 08:28
All right. Nobody moves, nobody gets hurt. You, lurking over there! Hands over your head. What, what are you doing? That's not your head!
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: P.C. on Mar 23 07 08:29
It's one thing to hijack a thread.....but it seems to me that it's over the top to hijack a forum.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: lurker on Mar 23 07 08:34
Who is trying to hijack the forum....?   (http:///forums/richedit/smileys/Teasing/4.gif)  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Hear Hear! on Mar 23 07 08:35
 It's one thing to hijack a thread.....but it seems to me that it's over the top to hijack a forum.

  Like my mother used to say... If you can't say anything nice say it on DV.

  Cheers & Happy thoughts to all.

     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 23 07 08:56
Raging Poodle, you're free to try to impose your will on this thread, and others are free to tell you to get over yourself. How would I feel if someone hijacked my thread? When I posted on DV it happened CONSTANTLY. I love that shit. The only time static really got to me was when someone got ahold of my home phone # and called me up from Canada. That cut a little too close to the bone. Otherwise, this is the Net and getting too hung up on ownership of the "airwaves" will only drive you crazy in the end.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: mr pomegranate on Mar 23 07 10:47
tenkani said:

  Don't mix flaming and stalking in the same sentence for instance. Flaming is an integral part of the beauty of DV. Stalking is a loaded word...man I don't know why he went there.

    I will tell you why I went there... this issue was about stalking, not real life of course, but harrassing posts in multiple threads every single day, many posters follow others into multiple threads whenever they post, change the subject, and insult every day continually... that is what I was trying to stop, maybe I was wrong in thinking that was a problem.

  anyways, I don't really need the headache, and am quitting as a moderator

           
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: oH! on Mar 23 07 10:53
Incredible the impact one little twit can have on so many.  Don't do it Mr. Pom.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 11:23
mr pomegranate wrote:
 I will tell you why I went there... this issue was about stalking, not real life of course, but harrassing posts in multiple threads every single day, many posters follow others into multiple threads whenever they post, change the subject, and insult every day continually... that is what I was trying to stop, maybe I was wrong in thinking that was a problem.

   [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffbf"]anyways, I don't really need the headache, and am quitting as a moderator[/FONT]

  I was expecting this.



I hope you got a chance to follow this thread and some of my comments, before shitheads hijacked it.



(See [A href="http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=ffe65e1c1fbfbc7c740289330ec8f3f2&/topic,4490.msg69823.html#msg69823"]http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php/topic,4490.msg69823.html#msg69823[/A] and the intro to it a few messages earlier, if you haven't already)



The stalking and harrassment you're referring to ARE real issues, esp. on DV.



However mods need to have a unified strategy in dealing with such issues, instead of certain mods' taking advantage of their position (and lack of competent supervision) to satisfy their personal vendettas.



That's why once in a while I alluded to what I saw was happening, but of course it would be quickly hushed, deleted, and swept under the carpet.

[/DIV][/DIV]I know you didn't want to be in this position. You found yourself without a choice. You were cornered into it.
   
Title: More shitheads and their antics...
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 23 07 11:28
tenkani wrote:
Raging Poodle, you're free to try to impose your will on this thread, and others are free to tell you to get over yourself. How would I feel if someone hijacked my thread? When I posted on DV it happened CONSTANTLY. I love that shit. The only time static really got to me was when someone got ahold of my home phone # and called me up from Canada. That cut a little too close to the bone. Otherwise, this is the Net and getting too hung up on ownership of the "airwaves" will only drive you crazy in the end.  
   Tenkani, shut the f*ck up please.



Create a new thread titled "Oh how I hate Raging Poodle!'s threads" instead of constantly hijacking this one, and invite PC there.



So the two of you can bitch and moan till the cows come home, ok?



 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: md on Mar 23 07 11:33
[table style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; color: midnightblue;" id="Table2" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="1" width="100%"][tbody][tr bgcolor="gainsboro"][td style="font-weight: bold;" align="left" valign="top"]                   modulusruptura                                  [/td]                [td colspan="2"]                   [img]http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" alt="" title="" border="0" height="15" hspace="3" width="15"]                   [font size="1"]Posted - 3/23/2007 11:54:31 PM[/font]                   [hr noshade="noshade" size="1"]                    no hard feelings with anyone here, I have decided that I will move on to other endeavours

best wishes to all here

it's been fun :)[/p]                    [/td][/tr][/tbody][/table]  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: P.C. on Mar 23 07 11:55
Raging Poodle....I'm so sorry I'm not following exactly what your problem is.  Perhaps someone who is informed in what is going on in both forums may have a better perspective.  Not all of us are.

  Could you at least try to see how this comes across on DS to those of us who are NOT aware of the goings on on DV.  I have tried to remain civil and perhaps I'm not succeeding as best as I could...but I'm trying.  I don't think I ever had a problem with you before.........   nor do I think you ever had a problem with ME before......   All I ask is that you base your opinions of me on the interactions that have taken place between you and I when you are making your comments about me.

  Am I asking too much ?
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on Mar 23 07 11:57
GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE
Title: Hypocricy at best... Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 12:05


Ok, a lot of powertripping going on at DV at the moment... ydv won't even allow me to say good bye to him.



She keeps deleting all my messages. [FONT color=#ff0000]What ever happened to the no deletion rule?[/FONT] But she is keen to leave all the flames directed toward me. Nice job.



Essentially first I had posted a link to my message above with a humorous note saying that although had abandoned me in the past, he was still good in my books.



That was immediately deleted.



Then she deletes this:



 Aww ydv powertripping again...?

Deleting all my messages.

You won't even let me say good bye to him?

This was the message you were trying to delete: [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_cool.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif)[/A]

 [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=#dcdcdc] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]ydvmod[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/24/2007 12:43:58 AM[/FONT]    [HR noShade SIZE=1]  
[FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"][FONT size=7]would one of the mods please stand up and tell us why?
[/FONT][/FONT]I think he should come out and say it.
I for once do not accept his resignation.
[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

 
One would think that YOU, of all people, would know what drove him to this! [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_angry.gif')" href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/j-ava%20script:void(0)" rel=nofollow][img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_angry.gif[/img][/A]



 
   
And yes, this one as well as the previous one you were so keen to delete before he got to see, WILL BE resurrected at DS.





     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: mr pomegranate on Mar 24 07 12:22
Raging Poodle, there is no big conspiracy going on, and nothing that ydv is hiding

  sometimes in life you just question to yourself about the way you are investing your valuable time as the days go by, and sometimes things happen that help the decision along, and you think to yourself that perhaps the time you have been spending has been a waste....  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: forum swinger on Mar 24 07 12:26
This just in:

[table style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; color: midnightblue;" id="Table2" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="1" width="100%"][tbody][tr bgcolor="gainsboro"][td style="font-weight: bold;" align="left" valign="top"]Raging Poodle![/td][td colspan="2"][img]http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" alt="" title="" border="0" height="15" hspace="3" width="15"][font size="1"]Posted - 3/24/2007 1:24:26 AM[/font][hr noshade="noshade" size="1"]
Resurrected [a rel="nofollow" onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_cool.gif')" href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/j-ava%20script:void%280%29"][img]http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif" alt="" border="0"][/a]
[a rel="nofollow" href="index.php/topic,4490.msg69930.html#msg69930"]http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php/topic,4490.msg69930.html#msg69930[/a]



I'll be emailing him soon...

You can't sweep this under the carpet ydv, no matter how hard you try.

It's beyond your control, and beyond your petty games now.

Delete this one also, since you seem to enjoy powertripping so much.

Hey what ever the fuk happened to the NO DELETIONS rule?

Oh I get it... that was to drive modulus crazy, and get him to resign wasn't it?

Well you must be happy, since you've achieved your goal.

Edit:
I see you've already banned 207.102.64.85
Cute trick.
Do you want to ban the whole Telus domain to silence me?

YOUR TRUE COLORS HAVE COME OUT YDV... AND THEY AIN'T PRETTY.

SHAME ON YOU!
[/td][/tr][/tbody][/table]
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: forum swinger on Mar 24 07 12:28
But Raging Poodle!, srsly, do you think anybody there really gives a f.? ydvmod's antics and associations are no secret to anyone.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on Mar 24 07 12:33
I CANT POST ON DV COS THE COMMIE WANKERS BANNED ME FOR SOME BULLSHIT. CUTIE TALKED TO THEM AND I AM DEFINATELY NOT WELCOME BACK. IN ANY EVENT I DONT GIVE A SHIT.MANY OF MY BETTER POSTS WERE DELETED.INFACT NOT ONE DAY WENT BY WHERE THEY DIDNT DO THIS. THEY ARE OPPRESSIVE KUNTS AND IF I WANT THAT I WOULD JUST GO TO ZIMBABWE. DS RULES......... HEY MIKE GASTSEOMFS!!!!!!  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 12:33
mr pomegranate wrote:
 Raging Poodle, there is no big conspiracy going on, and nothing that ydv is hiding

  sometimes in life you just question to yourself about the way you are investing your valuable time as the days go by, and sometimes things happen that help the decision along, and you think to yourself that perhaps the time you have been spending has been a waste....

 
 To use your expression: That's the politically correct version anyway ain't it? [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_wink.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_wink.gif)[/A]



If she didn't have anything to hide, why is she deleting ALL my messages (addressed to you BTW) and frantically banning me then?



What grudge does she have against me? Or perhaps she doesn't want me revealing some of the games you're well familiar with...



With you out of the way, she has more power now. Great.



You're a loyal friend modulus, but please... don't lie - even for the sake of friendship. (There's only so much PC bullshit some of us can take.)



Here's another message I posted a few seconds ago, in all likelihood it's immediately deleted and the IP banned. What gives... don't you wonder?





 [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=gainsboro] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]Raging Poodle![/TD] [TD colSpan=2] [img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/24/2007 1:24:26 AM[/FONT]

  [HR noShade SIZE=1]    


Resurrected [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_cool.gif')" href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/j-ava%20script:void(0)" rel=nofollow][img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif[/img][/A]
[A href="http://discoverseattle.net/forums/" rel=nofollow][FONT color=#0000ff]http://discoverseattle.net/forums/[/FONT][/A]

 [FONT color=#0000ff]index.php/topic,4490.msg69930.html#msg69930[/FONT]



I'll be emailing him soon...

You can't sweep this under the carpet ydv, no matter how hard you try.

It's beyond your control, and beyond your petty games now.

Delete this one also, since you seem to enjoy powertripping so much.

Hey what ever the fuk happened to the NO DELETIONS rule?

Oh I get it... that was to drive modulus crazy, and get him to resign wasn't it?

Well you must be happy, since you've achieved your goal.

Edit:
I see you've already banned 207.102.64.85
Cute trick.
Do you want to ban the whole Telus domain to silence me?

YOUR TRUE COLORS HAVE COME OUT YDV... AND THEY AIN'T PRETTY.

SHAME ON YOU!



[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

I just edited the URL above, so it won't overstretch the screen.

 [FONT color=#ff0000]Update: As it turns out ydv wasn't the one responsible for the deletions and banning although it certainly appeared to be that way at the moment. [/FONT]

 [FONT color=#ff0000]The cowardly a**hole who was powertripping deleting my messages and banning my IP while leaving all other filth on there, has yet to come out to apologize for his actions. [/FONT]

 [FONT color=#ff0000][/FONT]

[FONT color=#ff0000][/FONT]  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: mr pomegranate on Mar 24 07 12:37
ydvmod is not the one that has deleted any posts recently
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on Mar 24 07 12:37
PC BULLSHIT^^^  LMAO  LEAVE THE WOMAN ALONE SHES A MATE OF MINE.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on Mar 24 07 12:39
DOESNT DETRACT FROM THE FACT THAT YDVMOD SUCKS HIS MOTHERS COCK COS SHES A CROSS DRESSING TRANNY SLUT.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: P.C. on Mar 24 07 12:41
Aw jeez GG !

  I'm going to bed.  I can certainly see people throwing in the towel having to deal with the likes of this  nonsense.

  Carry on as if you were normal !!!
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Aboozer on Mar 24 07 12:42
who would have thought I could discover vancouve in discover seattle
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 12:47
Aboozer wrote:
 who would have thought I could discover vancouve in discover seattle[/DIV]
 Good to see you, boozy. [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_cool.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif)[/A]



What's your opinion on all this powertripping?



Clearly you must have a perspective on things...



   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ummm on Mar 24 07 12:48
Raging Poodle,

I asked you before

what exactly you are trying to achieve with all these tirades?

do you want ydvmod to resign?
you want massive changes in dv?
you want to close down dv?

what?
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 12:59
mr pomegranate wrote:
 ydvmod is not the one that has deleted any posts recently How do you know? You're not a mod any more. [img onclick=smile(this.src) src="http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/silly/raspberry.gif"]


 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Aboozer on Mar 24 07 01:02
Raging Poodle! wrote:
Aboozer wrote:
who would have thought I could discover vancouve in discover seattle[/DIV]
 Good to see you, boozy. [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_cool.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif)[/A]



What's your opinion on all this powertripping?



Clearly you must have a perspective on things...



I have a funny feeling you know my perspective...



   
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 01:09
ummm wrote:
Raging Poodle,

I asked you before

what exactly you are trying to achieve with all these tirades?
   You realize, some registered members along with even an admin are already doing good enough of a job hijacking and ruining this thread that I really don't need to respond to anonymous trolls, esp. to those using retarded nicks like "ummm"?



How about asking something under your regular DV nick, and making it sound less trollish?  [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_wink.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_wink.gif)[/A]

     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 01:14
Aboozer wrote:
 I have a funny feeling you know my perspective...

  Gee let's hear it.



Have we discussed this before? No need to retype. Just point me to an URL.



Even if it may've been written by a friend of yours... I'd like to see it to refresh my memory.



Maybe it'll shed some light on this recent hostility I've been receiving. [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_sleepy.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_sleepy.gif)[/A]



     
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ummmm on Mar 24 07 01:17
 I buried my regular DV name long time ago.  Back in the days when my DV innocence was shattered by all the dramas and trolls/

Those were the days, when I actually take the time to post intelligent replies and topics

(http:///forums/richedit/cliparts/3.gif)

You do not have to answer Raging Poodle,  I just wondered what you wanted to achieve


   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 24 07 01:50
forum swinger wrote:
This just in:

 Thanks for the paste. You got in before me. Must've been the high bandwidth advantage. [A onclick="addImg('icon/icon_smile_cool.gif')" href="jvascript:void(0)"](http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif)[/A]
 


 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: u know who on Mar 24 07 02:19
One of those newfangled DV thread topic tags got stuck in the middle of my screen for a while and followed me all the way to DS.  Thought I was getting stalked by the thread tag.  (http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_smile_cool.gif)

 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForShure on Mar 24 07 01:38
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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 25 07 04:18
From now on, unless otherwise announced, there will be no deletions or banning for harrassing, stalking, insulting, flaming posts.
...
I will tell you why I went there... this issue was about stalking, not real life of course, but harrassing posts in multiple threads every single day, many posters follow others into multiple threads whenever they post, change the subject, and insult every day continually... that is what I was trying to stop, maybe I was wrong in thinking that was a problem.
...
What I was trying to point out was that in your initial policy anouncement you lump flaming in with harassment/stalking. That was a mistake. Flaming can be a beautiful thing. When it comes to "harassment", a mod should be able to differentiate between a case where a user acts like a f*cktard and makes a lot of enemies who then go to war, and a case where, for instance, a woman is being stalked online by a single angry man because she turned down his advances. Trying to apply a set policy to such a thing is not wise, especially if said policy is created without the consensus of the mods or the knowledge of management.

Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: mr pomegranate on Mar 25 07 07:30
I made it very clear that stalking that crosses over into a real-life situation was not at all acceptable and was not what was meant by this. To even bring that kind of real life thing into THIS issue is just completely muddying my original point, and is a convenient way to end the discussion before it even started. This whole disagreement was based on online, non real life, harrassment and flaming. The only thing that mattered the most to me, was consistency. If one poster was to be admonished for a specific behaviour, I expected the next poster to be held to the same standard... nothing more, nothing less.... the fact that a consistent application of such a rule depending on personalities became a difficult judgement call, made it seem to me that the only way to be fair to all would be to allow everyone equal access to the ability to flame.  

  This was only based on flaming harrassment online between online personas, nothing more.

  And on another note, and to make this clear to any that care and may still be confused, my resigning has nothing to do with this policy issue itself, either way that it was chosen to apply a rule would have been fine with me (although I am still uncomfortable with a purely subjective flaming rule). One thing that I always operate on, in real life and as a mod, is from a position of loyalty. This is one of the most important virtues I believe in. I hold others to the same standards, and when it becomes clear to me that saving face or self promotion is more important to someone, I find it impossible to consider myself to being on a team with such a person. I will thus choose to remain resigned from modding for the foreseeable future.    
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 25 07 10:59
I think people know you had the best intentions.
That's what makes it so tragic.
This isn't my business so I should really STFU about it.
Letting go of DV is so damn hard but it's really time.
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: FoShure on Mar 26 07 04:46
tenkani wrote:
I think people know you had the best intentions.
That's what makes it so tragic.
This isn't my business so I should really STFU about it.
Letting go of DV is so damn hard but it's really time.
 
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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: TehBorken on Mar 26 07 06:54
"Trying to apply a set policy to such a thing is not wise, especially if said policy is created without the consensus of the mods or the knowledge of management."

Rule #1: Never make a policy or rule you can't enforce.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Drama Continues! on Mar 27 07 08:14
 [TABLE id=Table2 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=whitesmoke] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]X[/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/27/2007 9:07:24 AM[/FONT]  [HR noShade SIZE=1] If he is so much of an a**hole to be speaking behind my back, and making decisions about me without extending the courtesy to let me know of them

What decisions? There was never a rule to delete posts or threads that hate on people. I delete what needs to be deleted and I have no favorites when I make those deletions. This has nothing to do with you as a single poster, this has to do with every poster. So why would you feel you need to be personally informed? DV never worked that way anyway. I don't know if other mods show this favortism you talk about, but I don't.

That sounds like an obfuscation.
A catch-all bullshit.

[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff66"]You either have a guideline or you don't have a guideline.
You either delete hate posts or you don't delete them[/FONT].
You can't be half pregnant. It's either a yes or no.

Ya I never delete them unless it breaks rules. A poster hating on a poster was never against the rules. I don't know where this "new rule" came from. It gets deleted when unwanted pictures or addresses etc etc are posted. I did it like that from the beginning and it always worked.

Again if there are deletes that I don't know about then that is different, but I am speaking only for myself right now.

[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff66"]No one knows what to do.
[/FONT][FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff66"]That's when you have preferential treatment [/FONT]where some members' hate posts get deleted, and some other members' are left to rot and fester. [img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon/icon_smile_dead.gif" border=0]

I sound like a broken record, speaking for myself I treat every poster equally. How do I do that? If there is a flaming war I leave all posts up no matter who the poster, until it crosses the line and leads to racism or breaks any other rule.

In terms of flaming yes perhaps you can take it as well as dish it out, but what usually happens is mods take sides. So the mod(s) start deleting YOUR comments, however your flamers comments are left.

[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff66"]Why aren't both deleted?
[/FONT]
[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff66"]"Oh it's a fk'ing judgement call" the idiots will tell you... [/FONT][img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon/icon_smile_tongue.gif" border=0]

NONE should be deleted. And again, where did you ever hear that any of these should be deleted?? And who's taking sides? I never took sides with anyone, so I have no clue what you are talking about.

And don't try to twist my words against me. When I say judgement call I'm talking extreme measures. Like the prime example of posting another posters personal info as a defense or an attack. If a poster is making fun or trashing another poster, I have always left it, because this is a frickin forum, and people can either fight back or walk away.

My point is, deleting these posts was never a rule. If someone showed some sort of favortism that I don't know about, I appologise for that, but otherwise don't expect anybody's flaming posts to be deleted. At least not by me.

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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Lise on Mar 27 07 08:18
X is the only mod with a level head. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/12.gif)  Honestly, I don't understand why the mods on DV still hang around, as if they have to explain their actions over and over again. It's like trying to scold five year olds for putting their fingers in the cookie jar.

  Ah well. If anything, it makes for great entertaintment.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Adam_Fulford on Mar 27 07 09:29
As I understand it, DV mods are unpaid volunteers, working hard to enrich Mike, while anybody who has the audacity to harness DV's considerable traffic to promote good things such as important cultural events (and, God forbid, even make a buck or two) is treated like a leper and a pariah.  Typical mentality of corporate servitude.  I remember the shrieks of protest when I promoted the excellent William C. Martell Script Secrets Screenwriting seminar in Vancouver, which was a great success with a with big turn-out.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: tenkani on Mar 27 07 09:32
rofl
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 27 07 09:37
Oh good gawd, Adam is always out promoting his stuff.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForShure on Mar 27 07 09:41
purelife wrote:
 Oh good gawd, Adam is always out promoting his stuff.[/DIV]
 When isn't he? (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/2.gif)
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: purelife on Mar 27 07 09:43
When he is banned from DV!
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForShure on Mar 27 07 09:48
purelife wrote:
 When he is banned from DV![/DIV]
 That's what he wants us to believe.  (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/7.gif)
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 29 07 12:21
Would be interesting to find out more about this:

   [TABLE id=Table2 style="COLOR: midnightblue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; 10pt: " cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" border=0] [TBODY] [TR bgColor=gainsboro] [TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" vAlign=top align=left]Raging Poodle![/TD] [TD colSpan=2][img title="" height=15 alt="" hspace=3 src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" width=15 border=0][FONT size=1]Posted - 3/29/2007 1:06:32 AM[/FONT]    [HR noShade SIZE=1] X, I'm wondering where you stand now in terms of the new rules.

Are you going to be deleting the hate messages, or will you still leave them?

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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Inquiring Minds on Mar 29 07 12:28
Raging Poodle, if you're so concerned about having hate messages deleted, then why don't you delete this hate thread about you on DS?  You have the power to delete it.  Are you not going to hold yourself to the same standard of accountability as you're expecting from the Moderators?

[a href="http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=ffe65e1c1fbfbc7c740289330ec8f3f2&/topic,4523.0.html"]http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php/topic,4523.0.html[/a]




 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForSure on Mar 29 07 12:32
Finally the rules are there on DV.  They show up when you post, which makes sense as the drama and hate only happen when people post.  Good on the web-site administrators.  (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/2.gif)



IMPORTANT: A hate/bias crime is a criminal offence. If you post something that is against the law and the police request your IP, it WILL be released to them. Please be careful about what you post as we’ve had several departments of the RCMP in our offices the past few weeks collecting information on offenders.

 [A href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/rules.asp"][FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff40" color=#0000ff]Forum Rules[/FONT][/A]

 Only time will tell if the current mods will enforce them.  

Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: wtf on Mar 29 07 12:42
12.  ..... requires that members respect the decision of moderators.
Threads and posts questioning the actions or decisions of forum moderations will be deleted on sight, and the appropriate action taken (up to and including forum bans) against the thread starter and/or participants.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ForShure on Mar 29 07 12:55
wtf wrote:
12.  ..... requires that members respect the decision of moderators.
Threads and posts questioning the actions or decisions of forum moderations will be deleted on sight, and the appropriate action taken (up to and including forum bans) against the thread starter and/or participants.

   But #8 cancels that out:

  8,  [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffbf"]If you are a long standing member, act like one. Lead by example and assist other newer members rather then attacking them. [/FONT]We look upon our veteran members to use this opportunity to teach the newer members the appropriate way to use the message boards.
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 29 07 01:18


Those are just CZ's rules and are mostly applicable to CZ.



I pointed out that DV didn't have a PM system for example. (because rule 1 is talking about harrassment through PM for example) And that message was immediately deleted.



I seriously question the sincerity behind that link.



It all comes down to enforcement and accountability. And DV has neither.



Enforcement is totally arbitrary. And accountability is non existent.

   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: ? on Mar 29 07 01:20
 Inquiring Minds wrote:
Raging Poodle, if you're so concerned about having hate messages deleted, then why don't you delete this hate thread about you on DS?  You have the power to delete it.  Are you not going to hold yourself to the same standard of accountability as you're expecting from the Moderators?

[a href="http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=ffe65e1c1fbfbc7c740289330ec8f3f2&/topic,4523.0.html"]http://discoverseattle.net/forums/index.php/topic,4523.0.html[/a]




 
 
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Moolah! on Mar 29 07 02:39
Lise wrote:
 X is the only mod with a level head. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/12.gif)  Honestly, I don't understand why the mods on DV still hang around, as if they have to explain their actions over and over again. It's like trying to scold five year olds for putting their fingers in the cookie jar.

  X is actually the main shithead who believes all hate threads should remain.



"We don't have to explain our actions to anyone" Steve's famous instructions... that have led to all the arrogance and powertripping on DV today.

[/DIV]

And I see that you're still stuck with your old habits, aren't you Lise? That phrase you used, "as if they have to explain their actions over and over again" is the underlying reason why one sees so much corruption, filth and games on DV right now.



Without realizing, and without any clear supervision and accountability, everyone seemed to get carried away in their self righteousness.



If you went back today, I bet you'd fit right in.



   
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: What will they do on Mar 29 07 05:36
[table style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; color: midnightblue;" id="Table2" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="1" width="100%"][tbody][tr bgcolor="gainsboro"][td style="font-weight: bold;" align="left" valign="top"]                   orik                                  [/td]                [td colspan="2"]                   (http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" alt="" title="" border="0" height="15" hspace="3" width="15"] [font size="1"]Posted - 3/29/2007 6:23:17 PM[/font] [hr noshade="noshade" size="1"] [table id="Table2" style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; color: midnightblue;" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="1" width="100%"] [tbody] [tr bgcolor="whitesmoke"] [td style="font-weight: bold;" align="left" valign="top"]Raging Poodle![/td] [td colspan="2"][img title="" alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" border="0" height="15" hspace="3" width="15"][font size="1"]Posted - 3/29/2007 6:01:35 PM[/font] [hr noshade="1" size="1"] [b]Hey there's a hateful thread: Violation of Rule 1. [img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon/icon_smile_cool.gif)
[/b]
No Racism, No Threatening, No (citing) Victimization or Hateful posts / Retaliation of any kind against a member, or group of members. Hateful post will NOT be tolerated. Any Racist or Threatening posts will result in the suspension of the user account. Don’t test your limit.

Clearly this thread is not only hateful, but it also incites and encourages hatred against long standing and highly regarded [img alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon/icon_smile_wink.gif[/img] contributors of this bulletin board.

Under the old rules I would've laughed. But now I want to see what the mods will do about this.

Are you going to delete the thread or not? If not, why not?
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 [table id="Table2" style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; color: midnightblue;" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="1" width="100%"] [tbody] [tr bgcolor="whitesmoke"] [td style="font-weight: bold;" align="left" valign="top"]Orik[/td] [td colspan="2"][img title="" alt="" src="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/icon_posticon.gif" border="0" height="15" hspace="3" width="15"][font size="1"]Posted - 3/29/2007 6:19:17 PM[/font] [hr noshade="1" size="1"] All i can say is. according to the new rules this thread is a attempt to incite hatred towards others of good standing on this here forum and should be immediately deleted...

that is if the mods will actually follow and enforce the new rules... [/td][/tr][/tbody][/table]

[font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"][a rel="nofollow" title="No Rules!!! All Fight!!!" href="http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=151232"]No Rules!!! All Fight!!![/a]


so dear mods and admins. what will be the verdict ?
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Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: topverdictsays on Mar 29 07 05:40
Ban Orik, Raging Poodle, Raor. Enuf said.  
Title: Re: Major DV announcement mods WANT you to see
Post by: Raor on Mar 29 07 05:51
Haha!
What should I do to get myself banned, then?