I've tried to not get wrapped up in this, but it seems to be becoming more infuriating each day.
I don't understand how the RCMP think these 4 men are worth protecting, at the expense of a huge loss of respect, faith, and trust, from a HUGE percentage of the population. I just want to them stand up and say....YES, this situation was mishandled.
Then, the four men can sue the RCMP for wrongful dismissal if they feel they have a case. That way, the RCMP maintains their integrity, and the four officers will still get their day in court. As it stands now, not only are many people appalled by the stories that fly in the face of video evidence, now there is talk of the Polish government suing the RCMP.
I've been trying to avoid it too but it's hard to miss sometimes. The good news I heard on the news today is they can still lay charges against them if they come up with enough evidence.
I just hope there's closure for Dziekanski's mother when this blows over.
I guess what I'm finding frustrating, is the testimony that defies what we all can see. I understand that eyewitness testimony is often very unreliable. But to have the video and still concoct a story.....well....I just don't understand.
[FONT size=2]Don't be naive, it will never happen . The police is the monopoly of violence on a territory. The ruling class need it to oppress the people, so no, they will never condemn any criminal that's wearing a uniform and is one of their servant. These people are called police in our society. And in these times of Depression, they will need their repressive force more than ever.Cops, judges, lawyers on the side of the ruling class are never condemned for all their criminal activities. [/FONT]
I think they're playing it all wrong. They would gather more support and respect, from admitting their errors or flaws....especially on this one....where we are all seeing in front of our very eyes. I'm more likely than not to give them the benefit of the doubt....and always have been. But this one is just so wrong.
I like being naive. [img style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick=url(this.src); src="http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/more/bigs/c025.gif[/img] There's so much I don't have to face this way. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/12.gif)
Yipes. That's a little brutal ! Did he pull her up by her hair ????
Not until half way through the clip, does it show that she starts it off by kicking or throwing something at them. Not that it warrants that kind of force...I'm just sayin.
Oh ja... I watched it on the BBC yesterday. That was pretty brutal even to a human being. She's only 15 for goodness sake. These policemen should show some restraint, she's just a child afterall.
That story of the bunch that stood by while that gal hung herself needs to be put to task as well. They were there because she was on suicide watch....and did nothing.
I don't care how old she is....there was no need for that kind of brutality period.
That cop has a history of abuse, why do power hungry personality types end up in the police force?
"This is not the first time the deputy's actions on duty have been questioned.[/p] Schene fatally shot a mentally ill man in 2006 after a traffic stop struggle on Interstate 5. It was the second shooting of his career, although both were ruled as justified.[/p] While on paid leave after the 2006 shooting, Schene was stopped for drunken driving. He registered a .04 percent blood alcohol level during a test, but had been drinking and taking prescription medications. He was suspended for two days and a received a deferred sentence, public records say."[/p]
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Still...... let's see it on the other side. If you were a cop facing these types of things day in, day out, you'd be stressed out too. We don't know what it's like to be facing criminals everyday. You'd need to have thick skin and possessed some type of mentality to be dealing with them.
Having said all that tho, it still doesn't make it right. The public looks up to you to be their protector not prosecutor.
The part that I don't understand is this......
Schene, 31, pleaded not guilty last week to misdemeanor assault and remains on paid administrative leave.
Not guilty ? How...or why is court time wasted. Video evidence such as this should make a trial redundant.
P.C. wrote:
The part that I don't understand is this......
[em]Schene, 31, pleaded not guilty last week to misdemeanor assault and remains on paid administrative leave.[/em]
Not guilty ? How...or why is court time wasted. Video evidence such as this should make a trial redundant.
He can plead whatever he wants, his case will be 'the vicious girl who is a plague on society attacked me and called me a pig, it was in self defence.'
that's usually how these things go.
Details details.
I maintain that it is a waste of time and tax payers money to decide if someone is guilty when it is blatantly obvious. A four year old could sort it out. If that makes me a dictator....so be it. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/12.gif)
Then we have the guy who beheaded a person, in front of a whack of onlookers....and HE has pled not guilty. WTF ? And there's a strong possiblity he may walk away with no criminal record, and spend no minimum or maximum time in a hospital.
Hey....where did your post go ? I had nothing to do with this one !!!!!
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*that was in response to the part of SD's post that he removed. .
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lol
I removed the 'well its called the 5th amendment one of the leading causes of the revolution and if you wanted remove that and the 4th away and turn it into a police state, where cops like this guy beating up on 15 year olds are the 'sane' ones. I wouldn't mind another revolution, it would be good for the young people..' lol
I re-read your post for the 4th time and realized I'd be switching subjects. lol
Back to the RCMP trial -
I am sooooo pissed at this whole incident.
1) This takes place at an international airport - there are paid translators tens of seconds down the hall who could have been called in and diffused the whole thing in seconds.... instead some testosterone laden a$$hole of a cop takes out a tazer and lets this guy have it 4 or 5 times.
2) the cops speak english to him - when he doesn't understand they speak english to him louder ... what a moron.
3) There were 4 cops - if he felt threatened he felt he needed to use a weapon this cop needs to get a dose of reality 4 armed men against 1 unarmed man.
4) the cop lied about many aspects that were shown not to occur on the video.
If the mother doesn't file wrongful death suit I'll do it for her ...
Power tripping peckerwoods - (Did I type that outloud??)
lol peckerwoods haven't heard that phrase in months. (although we say peckerheads)
I have to agree with each item Van Guy.
But I'm still troubled by two things. Why someone would come to a foreign country, knowing they don't speak a word of the language...with what was apparently a very sketchy plan is beyond me. And secondly...why on earth would anyone leave without the person they came for. I know for certain, that if I was there to pick up my loved one....there is no way I would be leaving without them...I don't care if I would have had to sleep there. It's not even like she left to a hotel close by.....she went all the way back to Kamloops. This has puzzled me from the get-go.
Having said all that....it has absolutely NO bearing on how he was treated.
I think too, that those cops came onto the scene with the preconceived notion that they were going to be dealing with a drunk. (again....no excuse) The employee that called security had no business making that assessment.
I have to agree with each item Van Guy.
thanks PC
But I'm still troubled by two things. Why someone would come to a foreign country, knowing they don't speak a word of the language...with what was apparently a very sketchy plan is beyond me.
I do both all the time. I work in a different country every few months ... with linguistic completely foreign to me - am i going to learn mandarin for a one month stint. Then learn a different dialect when i go back to a different part of china - then learn mongolian then vietnamese and japanese because i may overnight in tokyo and then learn some hong kong dialect so that i can speak to the custosm guy there when i lay over . ...
Sketchy plans - i am going to wander around the jungle / desert and look for a speck of gold hmmmmm.
And secondly...why on earth would anyone leave without the person they came for. I know for certain, that if I was there to pick up my loved one....there is no way I would be leaving without them...I don't care if I would have had to sleep there. It's not even like she left to a hotel close by.....she went all the way back to Kamloops. This has puzzled me from the get-go.
That is a little weird to be sure - but not the fault of our poor traveler ...
[/div] [div style="font-style: italic;"]Having said all that....it has absolutely NO bearing on how he was treated.
Exactly -
I think too, that those cops came onto the scene with the preconceived notion that they were going to be dealing with a drunk. (again....no excuse) The employee that called security had no business making that assessment.
That's the problem the cops go in expecting trouble - they don't see a guy who is jet lagged - confused - scared - they see a fight about to erupt ... yes he was agitated ... yes he was behaving irrationally - but I guess what i find scary is that the cops went in there and pulled a weapon on a guy LONG before they tried to talk to him in his own language - if this occured in the back woods of saskatchewan without translators for 1,000 miles I could cut the cop a little more slack - but this is YVR - 1/2 the freakin' UN is represented there. I'm certain they could have found someone who spoke russian who could have figured out he was speaking polish - calmed him down a bit - and got a polish speaking translator there inside 60 seconds and saved this guy's life. Peckerheads
I thought of you actually, while I was posting this. How do you manage ?
I thought of you actually, while I was posting this. How do you manage ?
1) I kick a$$ at charades - once i explained to a mongolian back hoe operator to dig a trench put the upper 50 cm of soil on one side and the lower 1.5m on the other side all using sign language.
2) english is spoken widely in many airports
3) many have binders with english questions - "are you carrying any guns" etc... to which you nod (careful though there are places in china where a side to side means yes and and up and down nod mean no. It's confusing.
4) Lastly I often carry a cell phone with numbers for translators in case anything really bad happens.
5) I am a seasoned traveler - I know how to keep my cool - especially if the other guy has a gun.
P.C. wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"] [/div] I thought of you actually, while I was posting this. How do you manage ?
lastly I always have a crisp $ US 100 bill on me. in many countries $100 buys a lot of friendship. I've only needed to use that a time or two ...
Ahh yes. Money talks. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/3.gif)
P.C. wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"]Ahh yes. Money talks. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/3.gif) [/div]
many dialects many languages ...
So you manage without a single word. That's amazing.
I would work on learning the word NO. It sounds like it could be dangerous to not know it.
Well at least learn how to say...I need help please. (http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/12.gif)
P.C. wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"]So you manage without a single word. That's amazing.[/div] [div style="font-style: italic;"] [/div] I would work on learning the word NO. It sounds like it could be dangerous to not know it.
I've been to countries - and wasn't sure what language they spoke.
Michel wrote:
Ah the yes means no and no means yes is present in China too? I saw that in Yougoslavia. Which area of China? I'll probably be there pretty soon and I just don't have the time nor patience even to learn basic mandarin before.
southern - near hong kong.
the story i tell people is when i was working near shanghai. my translator grew up say 500km away and my driver was from a city 100km away. The local dialect was such that my driver understood 50% and my driver 75% (100km from home) so someone like me who has a HUGE accent and understands very little - when spoken slowly - clearly - will understand ohhhhh 0.0000000001% of what they are saying.
Michel wrote:
dui and bu dui (correct and not correct) are the most resembling expression in mandarin for yes and no since they do not exist in that language. wouhou ! p 33 of my secret weapon.
Shit, I learned something, how I hate myself. [img style="font-style: italic;" src="/forums/richedit/smileys/Happy/4.gif[/img]
bu dui bijou - no to bijou - hard liquor - it is DISGUSTING - i mean worse than fermented distilled camels milk DISGUSTING.
dui pijou - the beer is pretty good. I even had a green beer - made out of some kind of veggie.