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Title: Obama WINS
Post by: TehBorken on Nov 05 08 07:11
 Oh yeah, baby! A comment from another list I track...the first guy said it was a "landslide" and of course some anal-retentive republican had to try and deny it:

[hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"]I'm sorry, but Reagan won by a landslide - this was NO landslide. The electoral votes gave Obama a decisive victory, but the popular vote was very close.
 
 Yes, you ARE sorry, lol. Sorry your candidate was shot down in flames by a LANDSLIDE. He was toasted, roasted, chopped, sliced and diced. He was ground into confetti. He was blasted at light-speed into another universe. He was hit so hard, he turned two-dimensional.
 
 Face it, pal- by any measure it WAS a landslide, a massive overwhelming landslide. Don't be a hypocrite- if the numbers had been reversed and McCain had won all of you Republicans would be screaming, "Landslide, landslide!" at the top of your lungs. FOX News would be proclaiming it 24/7.
 
 Stop denying reality....McCain got only 29% of the electoral votes- only 29%!! That's not even a third. I mean, HELLO??? This race wasn't even close- McCain was blown so far out of the running there isn't even a word to describe it. "Obliteration" comes close, sort of.
 
 
 This was not a landslide victory.
 
 Lol, only in your dreams, my friend, only in your dreams. Say it with me, "Landslide, landslide, LANDSLIDE!" We both know it's true. Obama is president and he was elected in a massive LANDSLIDE of unprecedented proportions.
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Lol, "He was hit so hard, he turned two-dimensional." LOL!!!
   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 07:19
     
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: TehBorken on Nov 05 08 07:22
 He was speaking specifically of electoral votes, not the popular vote. The popular vote, as we have seen before, means little when it comes to actually getting elected. You can win the popular vote and still lose the election.
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 07:32
       
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 08:52
Franken looks to have lost in Minnesota by 200 votes
Prop 8 passed hating on gays
a bunch of anti-gay stuff passed in the states, the worst is Arkansas which banned gay people from adopting
Ted Stevens the criminal somehow won in Alaska. He'll be disposed next week, Sarah Palin will appoint herself to get 'experience' so she can run in 4 years.
Missouri went McCain too strong anti-black vote
That woman from Minnesota who said all democrats were anti-american, won her congressional seat.



plus side
High Speed rail is coming to California
ballot initiative 1000 passes in Washington

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Van on Nov 05 08 09:14
Maybe I don't watch enough TV? But I think I missed out on all the goosebump moments. I can't see much changing for Canada with Obama in power or not. Hopefully things change for the better for the world.

  To me, he is just another politician.
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: P.C. on Nov 05 08 09:32
Well, televised politics usually puts me into a coma.  But I felt somewhat privileged (for lack of a better description) to have been witness to it all.
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Future Canadian on Nov 05 08 10:23
Yes! Yes! Yes We Did!

I am so relieved and happy right now! Now I can be known as the once-and-future-Canadian. I don't have to worry about my country anymore.

On the landslide issue, if you look at the electoral map it's clearly at least a blowout. The list of formerly solidly republican states that turned toward the truth is staggering. Florida, Indiana, Virginia, Colorado, Ohio. And the fact that places like Montana, North Carolina, and Georgia are or were too close to call speaks volumes.

And the popular vote to me says landslide as well. At this moment it's over 63 million to nearly 56 million. 52% to 46%. Blowout! Landslide! Mandate!
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:39
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 10:51
well he got the most votes in history, he passed Bush's '04 mark of 62 million

From the exit polls from my state people who voted McCain decided on voting for him 3 days to a week ago. So they were swayed by Joe the Plumber, 'spread the wealth', etc. And well the anti-black vote.

Old Floridians for example didn't want their grandkids to live under a black man.

If McCain wasn't from Arizona, zona would have gone blue. But if Obama was white and not perceived as a muslim or whatever he'd of had a higher vote tally.

oh and I still am not moving back, I didn't move here for political reasons and besides where is home to me anyway.
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:58
   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:20
He only got the most ever because that was the year of the anti-gay amendments. The evangelical born agains came out in droves to stop the gays. Kerry received the most votes by a Democratic nominee that year as well.




 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 11:24
   

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Gopher on Nov 05 08 11:25
The euphoric atmosphere is reminding me of the summer of love.  
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:26
 oh and this was the first time a Democratic Presidential nominee since Carter received over 50% of the popular vote. Democratic nominees never win the white vote educated or uneducated since post '68.


   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:33
Well we'll see. He's got only a year to do something. post Jan 1 2010 Congress won't want to do anything with elections looming. He doesn't have 60 seats in the Senate so Republicans can filibuster. He'll need 3 to 4 Republican Senators (see gang of 14) to get something passed. With Ted Stevens getting elected he'll be removed from office by the Republicans, Sarah Palin will appoint herself as Senator I bet. I would, she's seen as laughing stock in the world, go to Washington make a name for yourself nationally, nobody is going to pay attention to you in Alaska.

Then Jan 1 2011 Republicans will start musing about presidential candidates Palin or Bobby Jindal gov. of Louisiana. "the battle of the minorities" if that's what the 2012 election will be. Jindal of Indian descent converted from Hinduism to Catholicism in university. grass roots Republicans love him. He talks with a deep Louisiana accent so white voters will like that, but he's too Sarah Palin on the social conservative side.

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 11:45
     
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Gopher on Nov 05 08 11:57
You're raining on my parade, Michel.
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 12:01
   

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Gopher on Nov 05 08 12:02
Ah, thank you!
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Russ on Nov 05 08 12:02
 I wonder how many of his policies he will backtrack on.. considering the country cant afford all of what he promised, its doubled its debt in the last 8 years due to Bush. I was amazed at a graph I saw somewhere showing debt from Clinton (going down) to Bush.    
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 12:03
   


 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Gopher on Nov 05 08 12:07
Such talent will take you far - keep it up(http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/12.gif)
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 12:09
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Gopher on Nov 05 08 12:11
I did indeed.(http://discoverseattle.net/forums/richedit/smileys/3.gif)
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: 49er on Nov 05 08 12:52
Russ wrote:
I wonder how many of his policies he will backtrack on.. considering the country cant afford all of what he promised, its doubled its debt in the last 8 years due to Bush. I was amazed at a graph I saw somewhere showing debt from Clinton (going down) to Bush.
   
     Better stop the bleeding in the next 4 years.......critics will not be patient.  It will be interesting to see how much he ages during his term
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: 49er on Nov 05 08 02:23
I wonder if any Republican running for future office will seek Bush's endorsement.
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Russ on Nov 05 08 02:40
 49er wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"]I wonder if any Republican running for future office will seek Bush's endorsement.[/div]
I honestly dont think anyone would. Notice he laid low the last week of elections and nothing emitted from the whitehouse the day of the elections?
I wonder what he is going to do now until he leaves the whitehouse? What pardons and legacies is going to try to leave from this point on.
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: 49er on Nov 05 08 03:19
its karma coming back to bite his ass.........cannot forget Bush and company doing a number on Kerry and ruining his reputation in 2004 with the swift boat ads
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Russ on Nov 05 08 04:26
 49er wrote:
[div style="font-style: italic;"]its karma coming back to bite his ass.........cannot forget Bush and company doing a number on Kerry and ruining his reputation in 2004 with the swift boat ads[/div]
I forgot about that.
Kerry is still in politics isnt he?
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 07:57
Or Bush won South Carolina in 2000 primary against McCain (turning the primary in his favour) for calling him unpatriotic/traitor in ads and saying that he fathered a black child...


Media is already calling this a revolution. This is a movement more than just a win. He's got something like 65million people email addresses etc. We'll see what he does but I have a feeling he won't be tepid in domestic policy. Remember the biggest drain on the economy is Iraq. They've got a surplus, there's no need for the US to be giving them money. He said that about a billion times during the campaign.



 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Lise on Nov 05 08 08:41
I've got nothing to add but I'm just glad he won. I think he deserve it.
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: P.C. on Nov 05 08 08:47
Hub just had a good point.  It's not all just about numbers and percentages.  

  What about the hope that it has inspired in a great portion of people who never had that kind of hope.  What about what it has done towards breaking down some of the racial barriers.  What about the feeling around the world towards a country who has managed to alienate themselves to so many.  I'm not even American, but even I feel the shift towards hopefulness and positivity.  
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Lil Me on Nov 05 08 09:39
Me too.  I finally watched The Speech on youtube today.  
 
 I don't get the Republican backlash- all those people who don't support Obama because he's "too liberal".  Huh?  Compared with Canadian policy, his stance is pretty right-wing.  I guess it's all relative.
   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 09:42
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 09:43
 lol "right wing" lol

Obama is more liberal than Harper.
Conservative Party of Canada is almost there to the Republicans on the political compass chart.
Liberal Party of Canada has drifted rightward to to the same place as the Democratic Party.

(http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uscandidates2008.png)

(http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/canada2008.png)


stop drinking canadian kool aid. :)
This isn't the Trudeau years.

   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 09:48
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 09:52
politicalcompass.org


'05 Candian Federal Election

(http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/canada2005.gif)
'04 Presidential

(http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/USelection2004.gif)


 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 09:58
   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 10:01
it's not a left right scale. That's too restrictive. Its done by a bunch of political scientists.
Well the political compass people are pretty big these days.
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:08
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 10:10
well its based on these tests. I always take the test and come out an anarchist. Everyone takes this test that I know of, they teach it in class.  
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:19
     
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 10:28
 yeah according to that I am to the left of Ghandi.

   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:32
     
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 10:34
dead serious lol. I'll take the test again and post it. I fall off the map. Then the site gives you literature on what to read and explains what you are. Apparently my view of government is a mix between the wild wild west and a hippie commune.

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:37
     
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 10:40
well I started questioning people I know when they put liberatarian on their profile. They always respond "well I took this test"

basically they took the same test I did and got the same socialist libertarian response. lol
Then the site tells us to read anarcho-communist books or Chomsky. lol

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 10:48
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:00
Already have for the most part. It was going to be a minor anyways even if all my friends say I was born for this stuff. I'm like so... I want some sort of life...I don't want to be some pretentious poli sci grad like the majority I run into aka the t.a.'s and if I ever became someone like that I'd slap myself silly because I never want to be that kind of person.


 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 11:05
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:07
oh god yeah I avoid philosophy class like the black plague. My reasoning is 'heck I think about philosophical questions at least 2 to 3 times a week, why do I need to take a class on that'. lol

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 11:21
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:26
hahaha that reminds me of one of my classes. I've got the head of the department and we're suppose to read his book, the book that he gave to Clinton when he came to Vancouver. lol
Yet the book isn't actually assigned nobody has read anything in the class. lol
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 05 08 11:49
     
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 05 08 11:57
oh it gets better a friend of mine is taking a history class, the prof is making them read his book that hasn't even been published yet. lol!  
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 06 08 06:47
   
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 06 08 12:13
haha yeah.
I've had to read two books by my profs one was for anthropology last year about women in macedonia. It was how they've been cheapened from their life of the 80s to the 90s and the general lack of freedom they had in the 90s 'post communist' compared to the 80s when they could travel where ever they liked and had no real travel restrictions.

Then there's the book for this one class this year which I haven't read yet, I've read a similar book written by an academic on the same subject and when skimming through this profs book its the same as the other profs book. lol

I'll read it regardless, unfortunately. The book is so boring.

 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Michel on Nov 06 08 12:23
   
 
Title: Re: Obama WINS
Post by: Sportsdude on Nov 06 08 12:24
okay thanks so much!