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49er

 [H1]Unprecedented SF study find pot helps ease pain[/H1] [P class=byline][A href="mailto:[email protected]"]Sabin Russell, Chronicle Medical Writer[/A]

 [P class=date]Monday, February 12, 2007

[SPAN id=articlebody] (02-12) 12:59 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- Doctors at San Francisco General Hospital reported today that HIV-infected patients suffering from a painful nerve condition in their hands or feet obtained substantial relief by smoking small amounts of marijuana in a carefully constructed study funded by the State of California.  Although the study itself was small, it is the first of its kind to measure the therapeutic effects of marijuana smoking while meeting the most rigorous requirements for scientific proof -- a so-called randomized, double-blinded placebo-controlled trial.  As such, the results of the trial are being hailed by medical marijuana advocates as the most solid proof to date that smoking the herb can be beneficial to patients who might otherwise require opiates or other powerful painkillers to cope with a condition known as peripheral neuropathy.  Federal agencies oppose the use of marijuana for medical purposes on the grounds that it is harmful and that there is no scientific evidence to support medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States.  "It's time to wake up and smell the data,'' said Bruce Mirkin, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a group advocating legalization of medicinal use of the drug. "The claim that the government keeps making that marijuana is not a safe or effective medicine doesn't have a leg to stand on.''  The study found that most volunteers who were given three marijuana cigarettes a day experienced a significant drop in the searing pain of peripheral neuropathy, which patients liken to a stabbing or burning sensation, usually on the bottoms of their feet.  On average, the participants in the experiment reported at the start that their pain was roughly at midpoint on a 100 point scale, where zero was no pain at all and 100 was "the worst pain imaginable.''  At least half the volunteers who smoked the active marijuana experienced a 72 percent reduction in pain after smoking their first cigarette on the first day of the trial. Over the course of five days, the median reduction in pain reported by the marijuana smokers was 34 percent, compared to 17 percent reported by those who smoked placebo cigarettes that had the active ingredient THC removed in a process akin to decaffeinating coffee.  "This is evidence, using the gold standard for clinical research, that cannabis has some medicinal benefits for a condition that can be severely debilitating,'' said Dr. Donald Abrams, lead author of the study released today by the journal Neurology.  The trial was conducted over a two-year period during which 50 volunteers each spent a week at a secured laboratory at San Francisco General. After a two-day orientation period, during which they stopped smoking marijuana they may have been using, they were given one cigarette three times a day. Half of the volunteers received marijuana containing about 3.5 percent of THC, the active ingredient of the drug; the other half received the placebo.  Abrams said that the placebo cigarettes looked and smelled identical to the ones containing active ingredients  Because of the unusual nature of the experiment, Abrams first had to receive clearance from eight different government agencies, including the University of California, the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, and the National Institute on Drug Abuse.  The cigarettes were made from marijuana grown on a federal marijuana farm in Mississippi, and stored in a locked freezer at San Francisco General.  E-mail Sabin Russell at [A href="mailto:[email protected]"][email protected][/A]. [/SPAN] [P id=url]http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/12/BAG6KO3BLP5.DTL

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Raver

Duuuuuude, I was totally going to post this but then....  Hey, where did i put my Doritos?  

tenkani

LOL. Nice.

  The government's stand has always been idiotic.

We won't support marijuana for critically ill patients because it is "harmful" (more harmful than intensely addictive drugs like vicadin??) and there is no scientific evidence that it works. Oh yes, and we will also conveniently oppose scientific testing by independant (non-governmental) researchers.

  I think we can easily knock out the first claim. Yes, marijuana is harmful. As harmful as cigarettes. Of course, in a clinical setting it could easily be administered via vaporizer, making that issue pretty much moot.

  The second issue would be addressed if they simply tested marijuana objectively as they do with other painkillers. The opposition to medical marijuana is primarily not a scientific issue. It's political/ethical one based on ill-founded fears lingering from the decades-old reefer madness campaign.

  When you tell a terminal cancer patient they can't take a puff to get some relief, you aren't protecting them. So who ARE you protecting?
For thou art with me; thy cream and thy sugar they comfort me
Thou preparest a carafe before me in the presence of Juan Valdez
Thou anointest my day with pep; my mug runneth over
Surely richness and taste shall follow me all the days of my life
And I will dwell in the house of coffee forever.

P.C.

Not to mention the 'safe injection' sites, where it is perfectly legal to go shoot up with heroin, in a nice healthy environment. But we are not willing to lend a hand to someone dying a slow painful death.
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

Lise

I'm all for the safe injection sites. They can work to help people ease off this drugs but nobody wants to advocate the site. Good for Sam Sullivan for sticking to his guns.

  Uhm. Pass the magick brownie, plez.
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Bill Cosby.

P.C.

I could be wrong Lise, but as far as I know, there are NO programs related to rehab.  They are strictly a place to keep the needles off the street.  I've never been able to decide how I feel about these places.  My gut tells me there is something wrong with a legal place to do something illegal, all with the governments blessing.  
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

Russ

P.C. wrote:
 I could be wrong Lise, but as far as I know, there are NO programs related to rehab.  They are strictly a place to keep the needles off the street.  I've never been able to decide how I feel about these places.  My gut tells me there is something wrong with a legal place to do something illegal, all with the governments blessing.  [/DIV]
 They are helping to reduce the costs associated with aids and hiv cross infections through needle sharing.

  The costs of running it are negligible compared to the medical costs of dealing with teh above as well as the information on who does what and how much.
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Lise

Well, I don't see how the current way of treating them is working. There's got to be a better alternative. Choose the lesser of the two evil. With a safe injection site, you can work with the people to reduce their dependency, control what they shoot into them and gradually ease them off. There's also the advantage of disposing needles in a safe manner, rather than discarding them anywhere.

  It's not the best answer out there but it's one that might work given the chance. All else have failed so why not try something radical and see what happens?
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

tenkani

Here in the states we prefer to try the same old failed policies, only hit them with a bigger hammer. It doesn't work, but it sure feels truthy!!
For thou art with me; thy cream and thy sugar they comfort me
Thou preparest a carafe before me in the presence of Juan Valdez
Thou anointest my day with pep; my mug runneth over
Surely richness and taste shall follow me all the days of my life
And I will dwell in the house of coffee forever.

P.C.

I'm all for that Lise.  But are safe injection sites accomplishing that?    So far, all observation of the project say no.  What's offered there, is information only, on rehabilitation and reducing dependancy, but it is not put into practise.  A snippet from research on safe injection sites.......

"Do safe injection sites contribute to lowering drug use and fighting addiction? Right now the only thing the research to date has proven conclusively is drug addicts need more help to get off drugs,"



I would be more than happy to see my tax dollars spent on actively helping these people.  I'm less impressed with the current project.  It reminds me of the same contradiction that it's not illegal to own child porn, but it's illegal to produce it.  How can you legally own something that's illegal to produce????  

  Spending the money on rehabilitation centers would be far more helpful in the long run.
Sir Isaac Newton invented the swinging door....for the convenience of his cat.

Sportsdude

hehehehehe duuuude the peace pipe rulezzzzzz  
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Russ

they are trying to but space and funding is not being provided. Vancouver is also arguing the neighboring cities should share in the municipal costs of this, cause not all the junkies in vancouver come from vancouver.. they come from elsewhere and come to vancouver for drugs are easier and cheaper to obtain. Surrey is a place that needs this as well.

  Its cheaper to run this facility and supply the drugs (encouraging treatment, this pillar is still being worked on), then it is to pay for the HIV and AIDS medications and treatments from sharing needles. They prevent two cases a year of either, and the last two years when its the most expensive when the people are terminally ill pays for the costs of the needle exchange for a year.

  But the big thing that taxpayers and insurance paying people should realize.. is that most of the thefts and crime come from cars, copper and such being done by drug addicts looking for their 10 dollar fixes. Give them the drugs, and they dont steal. Less crime and cars being broken into. Less insurance claims. You also cut out the middlemen, the drug dealers. they have no business if no one buys. Thats another criminal element gone.

  I would encourage everyone to think about it.. it might cost us for the rehab, drugs, and such.. but think of the lower insurance costs and less crimes agains personal property with the reduction in crimes and violence from drug dealers. Less OD's and the medical costs from that. Less people using the ambulances from OD's and violence from drugs, as well as less people taking up hospital beds in care facilities.

  It makes sense.  
Mercy to the Guilty is Torture to the Victims

Sportsdude

how I see it:
If there isn't a safe injection site:
junkie+dirty needle+multiple users+unprotected sex = more HIV then it spreads like the flu

Safe Injection site:
Junkie+clean needle= less HIV infections
Then if 1/100 junkies decide that shooting up isn't worth it and goes to rehab.  Thats 1 junkie ditching the habit, one person off the street.

The program works.
 
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Russ

Sportsdude wrote:
how I see it:
If there isn't a safe injection site:
junkie+dirty needle+multiple users+unprotected sex = more HIV then it spreads like the flu

Safe Injection site:
Junkie+clean needle= less HIV infections
Then if 1/100 junkies decide that shooting up isn't worth it and goes to rehab.  Thats 1 junkie ditching the habit, one person off the street.

The program works.

 
 thats the basic idea. you also cut out the drug dealers drying up their business, and reduce junkies stealing to buy their drugs.
Mercy to the Guilty is Torture to the Victims

Sportsdude

yup of course Harper doesn't think the program is worthy.

Plus if the person OD's then they have much better chance of surviving with nurses on guard.  So it saves lives as well.
 
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."