Catholic Woman faces excommunication by church

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Catholic Woman faces excommunication by catholic church

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   Joan Houk has ministered to the sick and needy, run two Roman Catholic parishes that were without priests and has presided over baptisms and funerals. Her calling now, she says, is to be a priest.

 Houk will be one of a dozen women participating in a ceremony Monday in which eight will proclaim themselves priests and four deacons. The ceremony won't be recognized by the Catholic church, which has a 2,000-year tradition of an all-male priesthood.

 Similar ceremonies conducted by the group Roman Catholic Womenpriests have been held before in other countries, and most of the participants have been excommunicated. It's the first time the group is holding a ceremony in the U.S.

 The Pittsburgh Diocese issued a statement saying the ordination would not be valid.

 "This unfortunate ceremony will take place outside the Church and undermines the unity of the Church. Those attempting to confer Holy Orders have, by their own actions, removed themselves from the Church, as have those who present themselves for such an invalid ritual," according to the statement released by the Rev. Ronald Lengwin, a spokesman for the diocese.

 The diocese said they will welcome back anyone who chooses to leave the church.

 Liberal Catholics say the ongoing clergy shortage and the dramatic rise in female lay leaders in American churches will eventually create pressure to ordain women. More lay people than priests are working full-time in American parishes and a significant number of the lay leaders are women.

 But conservatives believe only males can be priests, as evidenced by Jesus' choice of men to be his apostles and the church's long tradition of only allowing men to serve.

 A majority of Catholic respondents to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken just after the death of Pope John Paul II last year said they favored ordination of women.

 Womenpriests said a male priest presided over the first ordination of seven women sponsored by the group in 2002 in Austria; the women were excommunicated by the Vatican in 2003.

 "We need to claim for women their equal right with men to be ordained. And we need to do this 'contra legem,' to break an unjust law and yet to remain firmly within the church," Patricia Fresen said last year at a Philadelphia conference on women in the church.

 She is a member of the group, in which she carries the title of bishop, and is one of three people presiding over the Pittsburgh ceremony.

 They also say there are many examples of women with prominent roles in Jesus' ministry, including his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene.

 "Women were definitely leaders in the early church and so that's what we're asking to go back to, the early leaders of women in the church and leading to ordination," said Aisha S. Taylor, executive director of the Fairfax, Va.-based Women's Ordination Conference.

 Eileen DiFranco, 54, of Philadelphia, who will be participating in Monday's ceremony, said she received a letter from Cardinal Justin Rigali, the archbishop of Philadelphia, telling her that she is a threat to church unity.

 "I want to hold (the church) to a higher standard," DiFranco said. "I want it to be what it is capable of being, and that is an inclusive community."

 Houk decided to pursue priesthood after listening to a speech by Fresen. Houk said she realizes she will face rejection for her choice, but she said she's prepared for that.

 "I do not intend to start a church of my own," said Houk, a 66-year-old, married mother of six and grandmother of five. "I will not lead people away from the Catholic church but rather I hope to lead people to the church."

"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Lise

The Catholic doctraine on men versus women priests is over-dated, useless and ancient. I don't care for the argument that men should be priest only. Women have every right to become one if they so choose.
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

Sportsdude

Not according to the Vatican though. There time stand stills. Proven when Martin Luther started the reformation. The church just didn't pay attention and didn't care.  I think the Vatican or "all boys club" is now in the 18th century.
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Realist

Women have every right to become one if they so choose.

I agree. They should have every right to buy into that "invisible-friend-in-the-sky" bullshit just like the idiot men that do. They should have the same right to be just as dumb, just as ignorant, and just as full of crap as any male priest or deacon. Why they would do that is beyond me, but it's obvious men clearly haven't cornered the market on stupidity.

Some Chick


Gopher

What would they do if an apparition of Virgin Mary suddenly showed itself in one of their churches and started preaching to the people - would they excommunicate her too?  
A fool's paradise is better than none.

Lise

Gopher wrote:
What would they do if an apparition of Virgin Mary suddenly showed itself in one of their churches  and started preaching to the people - would they excommunicate her too?

  If I know the Catholic Church, they'll try to denounce her presence and call her an imposter. They're so set in their ways that they won't see the light. (no pun intended)
 
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.