Hiroshima - Before and After

Started by TehBorken, Jun 15 06 08:34

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TehBorken

 Hiroshima miniatures at Peace Museum[h3 style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Verdana;"]These Hiroshima miniatures, illustrating the devastation caused by the bomb, are incredibly provoking. But it's especially powerful seeing the before and after miniatures. Before, a quiet, almost quaint town...[/h3][a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/89434448@N00/32167147/"][img]http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/images/hiroshima_01.jpg" title="Hiroshima_01" alt="Hiroshima_01" border="0" height="180" width="250"][/a]  [/p] In an flash, 10,000 civilians were killed in Hiroshima. In the days and weeks to come, thousands more would die. The hypocenter (the orange sphere) was triggered at about 600 meters above Aioi bridge. This miniature illustrates that exact point in time.[/p] Here's another Hiroshima model, in striking before-and-after format.
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[/p] [a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/24203467@N00/96793504/in/photostream/"][img alt="Hiroshima_02_1" title="Hiroshima_02_1" src="http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/images/hiroshima_02_1.jpg" border="0" height="118" width="165"][/a][span style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"] [/span]
[/p] [a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/24203467@N00/96793533/in/photostream/"][img alt="Hiroshima_03_1" title="Hiroshima_03_1" src="http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/images/hiroshima_03_1.jpg" border="0" height="118" width="165"][/a]    
[/p] [a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/24203467@N00/96793433/in/photostream/"][img alt="Hiroshima_04_1" title="Hiroshima_04_1" src="http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/images/hiroshima_04_1.jpg" border="0" height="118" width="165"][/a] [/p]  [a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/24203467@N00/96793462/in/photostream/"][img alt="Hiroshima_05_1" title="Hiroshima_05_1" src="http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/images/hiroshima_05_1.jpg" border="0" height="118" width="165"][/a]  [/p]  • [a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/65193603@N00/86006376/in/photostream/"]Additional Photos of Museum[/a][/p][a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/65193603@N00/86006376/in/photostream/"][/a]    
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.

kitten

No matter how many pictures I've seen, and articles I've read, I can't begin to grasp the hell that was Hiroshima after the bomb.
Thousands of years ago cats were worshipped.  They have not forgotten.

Lise

The saddest thing is....................... we haven't learnt a thing.
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

Sportsdude

Chernobyl is pretty freaky too.
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Gunta

Well, I am sorry that it came to that but I don;t regret it.

  That is seriously what you get when you attack the west. It is a reminder -- a reminder of what will happen if you attack us. Countries are still learning this lesson to this day.  If we want to go with atrocities, the bomb does not come lose to the degenerate behavior of Japanese solders in China and Korea.

  Sure it stopped the war but Japan got it's just desert as well.

  I have no pity.

Lise

Gunta wrote:
Well, I am sorry that it came to that but I don;t regret it.



That is seriously what you get when you attack the west. It is a reminder -- a reminder of what will happen if you attack us. Countries are still learning this lesson to this day.  If we want to go with atrocities, the bomb does not come lose to the degenerate behavior of Japanese solders in China and Korea.



[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"]Sure it stopped the war but Japan got it's just desert as well.[/FONT]



I have no pity.

      NOBODY deserve to get bombed, gunta. NOBODY. The atomic bomb killed more civillians than soldiers. War is ugly business, it should NEVER happen.

  I would dare you to say those words to any of the remaining survivors in person. Tell that to her that she deserves her fate.

 
 
Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.
Bill Cosby.

Sportsdude

Nobody deserved to get bombed but I wouldn't be here if it didn't happen. Grandpa was part of the huge group that was going to invade Japan if the bombing never happend.  If the invasion took place it was estimated that millions would have died fighting on both sides.  So I guess the lesson I've taken is yes it happend, I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for it, BUT I must never let this happen again.
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Gunta

And Japanese soldiers killed millions of Chinese civilians. Hell, they killed many more  as well in other Asian countries. I am sorry, the people are the power behind the army. Even in a fascist state like WW2 Japan. They are responsible and they were punished. Pictures of Japanese kids doesn't matter. For every one child sitting in his nice clothing from Japan that was instantly killed by the blast, there is a hundred murdered children that slowly died from gun shot wounds, bayonets, rape and torture in China.  

Gunta

Sportsdude wrote:
 Nobody deserved to get bombed but I wouldn't be here if it didn't happen. Grandpa was part of the huge group that was going to invade Japan if the bombing never happend.  If the invasion took place it was estimated that millions would have died fighting on both sides.  So I guess the lesson I've taken is yes it happend, I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for it, BUT I must never let this happen again.

  In Okinawa, woman hiding in caves from the Americans were ordered to strangle their crying babies to death by the Japanese soldiers. They were nuts. They were a threat and needed to be taken out. They needed to be put in their place. Unconditional surrender and hmm, we will think about not pillaging your cities and executing everybody in an army uniform.
 

Gunta

One thing about me is I don;t support unprovoked attacks like Iraq etc. I speak out against them, especially when innocents are dieing. But....if you attack me or my buddies, you are dead. Period.

Sportsdude

In Okinawa, woman hiding in caves from the Americans were ordered to strangle their crying babies to death by the Japanese soldiers.



That was because they were brain washed into thinking that the allied forces were these savage beast  and were going to rape and murder them when they would come ashore, when in reality the emperial forces were that way. Remember they were emperial forces not the whole entire army just like there was a Nazi army and a regular german army.
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Gunta

And the fact that they were irrational and brainwashed is a defense for not subduing them efficiently? al a kaboom. I'd say that there irrationality by itself justifies subduing them at any means necessary.

  I guess there is a difference between the Japanese using brainwashing to convince it's people of the enemies savageness and the Chinese just showing it's people all the dead bodies that are carved up on the ground.    

Sportsdude

No I'm saying that evil brain washed innocent people. Just like families in Germany didn't know what Hitler was doing to the Jews because no one knew of it and if they did they were killed.  Its Propoganda that fuels wars and if you are behind something you are lead to believe anything and it becomes Animal Farm like.
"We can't stop here. This is bat country."

Gunta

And besides, as Nuremberg trials had shown us, brainwashing is not an excuse for inhuman behavior. I understand their motives for jumping off cliffs, murdering their own children but it just demonstrates more and more that Japan needed to be destroyed. Lucky for them that the Emperor decided to break his silence and stop the war mongers that had taken control of his country.  

TehBorken

 It's impossible for us to understand the situation in context due to the passage of time- our distance from it clouds and distorts the entire event. It seems at the time there was no other realistically viable option, and I doubt the decision to drop the A-bomb was made casually.

That doesn't mean I'm in favor of what was done, what I mean is that sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones.

It's chilling to see how the city was virtually wiped clean off the map, especially when you realize that the bomb they dropped was a very, very tiny one compared to the ones that would be used today. A full-sized nuke today would pretty much remove Japan from the world map down to a couple of hundred feet below sea level. It's hard to grasp the effect a current nuke would have; it's just not easy for the mind to scale to that level of destruction.

When I worked at Hanford, one of the nukies there remarked that the bomb used on Hiroshima was so tiny, "they wouldn't even waste their time building one that small these days".

He said it's impossible to visualize the destruction a current bomb would cause, but that to get an idea of it you could go to the top of a 50-story building, turn in a complete circle and imagine that everything you see -every single thing- is completely gone.

That was kind of sobering.
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Full Disclosure: Yes, a long time ago I worked at Hanford ("Westinghouse-Hanford" back then) for Battele and Rockwell and a few other groups. I'm well-acquainted with the nukies, the 'glow-to guys' (ha ha) and SWP, SNM, and all that other junk. I've also done work for other nuke farms like Sandia, Lawrence Livermore Labs, INEL, Rocky Flats and GE Vallecitos. I've spent more time in poop-suits than I care to remember. I was superficially contaminated three times at Hanford (doh!) so I don't have very fond memories of it, to be honest.

 
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.