Iran president suggests West ain't seen nothing yet in high oil prices

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Wading into oil politics for the first time, Iran's president said crude oil prices - now at record levels - still are below their true value.

 

 In statements expected to rattle world oil markets, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also said developed countries, not producing countries like Iran, are benefitting most from the current high prices.

 

 "The global oil price has not reached its real value yet. The products derived from crude oil are sold at prices dozens of times higher than those charged by oil-producing countries," Tehran radio quoted Ahmadinejad saying Wednesday.

 

 "The developed nations are the biggest beneficiary of the added value of oil products," he said.

 

 The president, who is embroiled with the West and the United Nations over Tehran's nuclear program, stopped short of saying Iran would use oil as a weapon, a tactic much feared by his antagonists on the nuclear issue. Nor did he say what oil prices should be.

 

 Oil prices leapt above $72 US a barrel Wednesday, settling at a record high for the third straight day.

 

 "The products derived from crude oil cost over 10 times the price of oil sold by producing states. Developed and powerful countries benefit more from its value-added than any party," Ahmadinejad said.

 

 Oil prices should be determined on the basis of market supply and demand, the Iranian leader said.

 

 "Oil is the major asset of nations possessing it. Its price should not be lowered on the pretext that it will prove harmful to developing states, thus permitting the world powers to benefit the most from it," he said.

 

 George Orwel, an analyst at the New York City-based Petroleum Intelligence Weekly said he thought Ahmadinejad was playing the oil card to resist pressure over Iran's nuclear program.

 

 "They are using the oil as a political football. Every time there's an issue with Iran, the oil market freaks out," he said in a telephone interview.

 

 Earlier this week, as oil prices pushed above $70 US a barrel, ABN Amro broker Lee Fader said the trigger was heightened fear about U.S. military action against Iran, which has said it would go ahead with plans to enrich uranium in defiance of the United States, Europe and the UN nuclear agency.

 

 Iran insits its nuclear ambitions are peaceful but the West fears it is intent on arming itself with nuclear weapons.

 

 If the United States were to attack Iran, Tehran might try to cripple the world economy by putting a stranglehold on the oil that moves through the Strait of Hormuz - a narrow, strategically important waterway running to Iran's south.

 

 While discounting Ahmadinejad's seriousness in his Wednesday comments about the value of oil, Orwel conceded the oil industry could not do without the 2.5 million barrels Iran exports daily.

 

 "Ahmadinejad is trying to show his muscle so that the Bush administration can realize the consequences on the oil market of further confrontation with Iran," Orwel said, adding he fully expects Iran to threaten to cut off oil if the confrontation with the West continues.

 

 While Ahmadinejad did not say he would use oil as a weapon in his dispute with the West, Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi said last month the oil card is in play.

 

 "If (they) politicize our nuclear case, we will use any means. We are rich in energy resources."

 "We have control over the biggest and the most sensitive energy route of the world," he said, referring to the Straits of Hormuz.

 In keeping with Iranian leaders' tendency of late to contradict themselves, Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki later denied Iran would adopt such a policy.

 Iran is the world's fourth-largest oil-producing country and the second in OPEC.

 Ahmadinejad urged oil-producing countries - within and outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries - to establish a fund to help alleviate the pressure resulting from high oil prices on Third World nations.

 Oppenheimer & Co. oil analyst Fadel Gheit said he considers it unlikely Iran has any intention of cutting off its oil, the lifeline of its economy.

 Gheit noted, however, there is some truth in Ahmadinejad's comment on developed countries benefitting most from increased oil prices, though the statement would likely be seen as an attempt at "fanning the flames" of a red-hot oil market.

 "What he's saying makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the source of the comment is going to send jitters in the market," Gheit said.

 "The street value (of oil) is triple what OPEC is making," Gheit added, referring to the value of a barrel of gasoline versus the value of a barrel of oil.

 Gheit estimated in London, where the retail price of gasoline is about $6 US a gallon, about $150 worth of gasoline can be made and sold from every $50 barrel of oil.

 "That is why Exxon Mobil and all the rest make so much money," he said.

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Sportsdude

He's right because if Bush bombs Iran all Iran has to do is to shut off the oil supply and we are in a global recession. Iran is the 4th biggest oil producer not in OPEC. The other big oil producers that aren't in OPEC are Russia, Canada, Norway, Nigeria and Chad.
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soapbox

The street value (of oil) is triple what OPEC is making," Gheit added, referring to the value of a barrel of gasoline versus the value of a barrel of oil. Gheit estimated in London, where the retail price of gasoline is about $6 US a gallon, about $150 worth of gasoline can be made and sold from every $50 barrel of oil.

 

 what odd logic.

 if canada sells wheat to the usa and usa distributors sell to wholesalers and then on down to commercial bakers...well everybody along the line has benefited from the trade and a tonne of fresh baked bread is well worth more than a tonne of raw barley or wheat.

 so why is it unfair that refineries (according to iran) be punished simply because they purchase crude and make final oil products,that include gasoline valued on the market at a higher rate than the raw commodity?

 this is just one more reason why oil,islam and politics do not mix. we need the americans to get off middle eastern oil asap.

 

 


Sportsdude

America doesn't touch saudi oil. Most of the oil you see in your car (if your american) comes from Canada and Venezuela.
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Trollio

 Sportsdude wrote:
America doesn't touch saudi oil. Most of the oil you see in your car (if your american) comes from Canada and Venezuela.
 
 Whoa, my brother.
 
 Saudi Arabia is the fourth largest exporter of oil to the US, behind Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela.
 
 
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pronto

 Sportsdude wrote:
America doesn't touch saudi oil. Most of the oil you see in your car (if your american) comes from Canada and Venezuela.


bullshit.

 

Sportsdude

Look it up. Our main supply of oil does not come from Saudi Arabia.
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The price of full service high octane gas reaches $4.049 dollars per gallon Thursday, April 20, 2006, at a gas station in Beverly Hills, Calif. Oil prices held steady near record highs Thursday after weekly data showed a drop in U.S. gasoline stocks, raising worries that refiners don't have an adequate inventory cushion ahead of the peak summer driving season. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)

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Sportsdude

Haven't gone outside in a day but will in about an hour last time I looked its 2.90 here.
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Trollio

[span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"] pronto wrote:[/span][br style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"] [br style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"]  [span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(128, 0, 0);"]bullshit.[/span]
 
 
  Stunning display of intellect.
 
 58% of the oil in the US comes from somewhere else. Oil is a game, a very sick game played at our expense.
 
  When men in suits are asked in supposedly earnest interviews why we have not broken the habit, they give answers like:
 
 [span style="font-family: times new roman;"] "ur... we haven't figured out how to do the distribution of ethanol"[/span][br style="font-family: times new roman;"]  [br style="font-family: times new roman;"] [span style="font-family: times new roman;"] "we are working on it but we're just not there yet"[/span][br style="font-family: times new roman;"]  [br style="font-family: times new roman;"] [span style="font-family: times new roman;"] "other forms of energy just do not have the degree of efficiency of oil"[/span]
 
  The real answer is more like:
 
 [span style="font-family: times new roman;"]"The second biggest exporter of oil to the US is Mexico. The largest exporter of oil to Mexico is the US. The US also sells oil to Venezuela, who is the third largest exporter to the US. This is called comparative advantage. It was set up so that we, the rich people who own and operate the economy by any means necessary, can continue to do so by selling our own goods to each other in order to increase our profits and subsidize the continuing existence of the system. For any one nation to stop participating in this game would be like taking a leg off of a three-legged table, because now our economy is so dependent upon this shell game that to stop it abruptly would lead to an economic collapse. This is why people who try to interfere with the balance by saying 'the oil within my nation's borders belongs to my nation' (Mossadegh, Saddam Hussein, Hugo Chavez, etc) become the 'enemies' of nations whose rich classes benefit from the 'arrangement'. Aren't we clever demons?"[/span]
 
  I wish to hell that someone like Cheney would just say that, once and for all, to the cameras.
 
 
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Gopher

Ever wondered how we would be functioning if  the usefulness of oil hadn't been discovered?
A fool's paradise is better than none.

Sportsdude

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soapbox

it is not foreign crude supplies that drive up prices for the most part.

  it is the united states and it's refusal over the last 30 years to bring online more refining capacity. there are various reasons for that..enviromental laws etc etc.it also oil companies who didn't make the infrastucture investment - this is now catching up with us.

  there is lot's of the sweet flowing light crude (nice stuff from the friendly middle east) it is refining capacity.

kitten

I imagine the oil companies couldn't see the point in upgrading if it cut into their profits.  The shareholders would have complained bitterly about poor returns.
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Sportsdude

the U.S. wouldn't need outside oil as they call it if they raised fuel effecienticy standards. make cars have atleast 40 mpg and Trucks 35 mpg and most of our oil problems would go away.  
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